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Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by dgfitz »

random314 wrote: post #431
betwixthewires wrote: post #403

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How is it morally bankrupt to care about yourself more than people you don't know?

How does getting a vaccine affect a young healthy person negatively? It is immoral for the same reason as refusing to help others survive at zero cost to you.

> How does getting a vaccine affect a young healthy person negatively?

Isn't that a reason people don't want the shot? Because they're not sure of the answer to that question.

I got my 2 shots. Had to drive 1.5 hours each way both times, find someone to watch my kids and burn up 2 Saturdays that I could have spent doing something I wanted to do that wasn't getting a shot.

To claim there is zero cost is insincere at best.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by CydeWeys »

pasquinelli wrote: post #326
CydeWeys wrote: post #142

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> Is it to protect the unvaccinated? COVID is not going away, so IMO here we just want everyone in this population to get the disease as fast as possible to get it over with. No we definitely do not want that. There are large deaths of the country where vaccinated people are dying of unrelated conditions simply because hospitals are too full of dying unvaccinated COVID patients. The only way this works is if hospital…

it's really simple: you ration care according to the urgency of need. it's no different than any other event that would bring more people to the hospital than usual. i've heard stories like what you're talking about. they don't make much sense. hospitals running out of oxygen? get more oxygen. that's why we have roads and trucks. not enough beds in the icu? build more. i think often about the start of the pandemic, b…

> i've heard stories like what you're talking about. they don't make much sense. hospitals running out of oxygen? get more oxygen. that's why we have roads and trucks. not enough beds in the icu? build more.

Poor? Just get more money! If only every problem had such a facile answer!

None of this is remotely as easy as you seem to think it is. If it were that easy, they'd already be doing it. They're not morons. And as someone else pointed out, "not enough beds" is shorthand for "not enough doctors and nurses". It'll take years to increase the supply there.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by crackercrews »

random314 wrote: post #433
crackercrews wrote: post #367

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> a vaccine that has proven to be incredibly safe and effective I understand that there have been very few deaths or serious injuries from the vaccines. At the same time, I am aware of the unexplained menstrual side effects. I completely understand why women who plan to have children, and parents of girls, don't view the vaccine as zero risk.

Citation?

> But thousands of people in the U.S. think they may have had other side effects that drugmakers and doctors never warned them about: unexpected changes in their menstrual cycles. [1]

1: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/09/1024190...

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by spookthesunset »

dgfitz wrote: post #410
rspeele wrote: post #331

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> I've said from the beginning of this year that I'll get vaccinated as soon as the government gets out of it. At this point, the mandates are specifically why I refuse to get vaccinated. Do you find any irony in your decision being controlled by the government's policy?

I agree with arcbyte, and I got my second shot in March. The amount of government interference as it relates to COVID and vaccines is complete bullshit. I hope we look back on this in 20 years and feel a deep sense of embarrassment for how COVID and the vaccine has been managed and used to emotionally manipulate and divide people. When 9/11 happened it united the country. COVID should have done the same thing, but it…

> When 9/11 happened it united the country. COVID should have done the same thing, but it has been used as a political tool instead, bringing out the worst in people. It makes me quite depressed when I think about it for too long.

I've felt this way too. People have made this so incredibly, incredibly divisive. I'm not sure what blend of fear and tribalism is driving this either. When you talk to some people about covid, what comes out of their mouth is almost word salad--they are so incredibly fearful and panicked that almost none of what they say makes sense. The idea that society should completely alter everything for this one specific illness (aka "new normal") is pretty absurd, yet people will stop just short of spitting on your face when you express any skepticism at all.

Societies reaction to this is all just so freaking bizarre. None of what we are doing adds up or makes much sense when you really start asking questions.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by hef19898 »

marcosdumay wrote: post #254
hef19898 wrote: post #13

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But developing countries pay less, so BionTech and Pfizer will have less profits. As cool as having a company like Biontech, run by immigrants, founded in Germany they always rubbed me the wrong way in terms of PR and business conduct since the start of the pandemic. With huge support from German media and politics. The continued dissing of Astrazeneca is just one example, the push for booster shots is another.

Hum, anyway they are making a lot of effort to sell doses around here (Brazil), even with an uncooperative government. And they indeed are asking for a smaller price than on the developed countries. I guess the rich countries applying a 3rd dose is a net benefit for them, but they seem to be playing the "we will sell as much as we can" game, not the monopolizer "restricting supplies leads to more lucrative prices" on…

These strategies are not mutually exclusive, are they?

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by est31 »

HWR_14 wrote: post #204
est31 wrote: post #24

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What about sending the unused doses to developing countries? Then they wouldn't go to waste.

The US government, to secure the doses, committed to indemnify the suppliers if anything went wrong and not to transfer the doses to any country that would not (or in some cases, they had to commit to not transferring the doses at all). Most countries are refusing to indemnify the companies. So the US government would be in breach of contract and could be sued for sending the doses overseas.

Oh I see, didn't know that. Thanks for explaining! That being said, the government could also give the doses back to the manufacturers for a small fee who could then sell it abroad themselves, because right now it seems to me that their production capacities are maxed out and they produce less than they could sell.

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Post by floxy »

Thlom wrote: post #157
epmaybe wrote: post #95

I think this reporting is dancing around the issue, that the vaccine supply is most concentrated in countries that have essentially reached their maximum vaccination percentage. By not providing access to those developing or smaller countries, larger countries are shooting themselves in the proverbial global foot. I don’t think countries like the US and Canada aren’t trying to do that, I just think these experts woul…

The US has not met their maximum vaccination percentage. According to the graph I get in Google the US is stuck on around 50% fully vaccinated. Considering the head start they had on most of the world and the vaccine supplies this can't be described as anything other than a complete and utter failure on all levels.

>According to the graph I get in Google the US is stuck on around 50% fully vaccinated.

...still seems like an upward trend at:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-trac...

...according to the CDC % of Population ≥ 18 Years of Age who have had at least one dose is 75.7%.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-...

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by pwm »

random314 wrote: post #429
tastyfreeze wrote: post #385

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Anecdote to support your statement: A close friend that tested positive for COVID last year works at a hospital. They saw no value in getting vaccinated since they had already been infected and recovered. They were given an ultimatum last month of "get vaccinated or find a new job". Reason has left the building.

How it would have hurt to get a vaccine?

Well for one it could go to desperate people in 3rd world countries? If you already provably had covid letting your now useless shot go to the ones in need is arguably the moral choice?

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by amrocha »

dgfitz wrote: post #410
rspeele wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've said from the beginning of this year that I'll get vaccinated as soon as the government gets out of it. At this point, the mandates are specifically why I refuse to get vaccinated. Do you find any irony in your decision being controlled by the government's policy?

I agree with arcbyte, and I got my second shot in March. The amount of government interference as it relates to COVID and vaccines is complete bullshit. I hope we look back on this in 20 years and feel a deep sense of embarrassment for how COVID and the vaccine has been managed and used to emotionally manipulate and divide people. When 9/11 happened it united the country. COVID should have done the same thing, but it…

After 9/11 a significant portion of the US was staunchly anti-war, organized some of the largest protests in US history, and yet they were ignored by the media and demonized as anti-patriotic. On top of that, muslim americans have had to endure years of racist attacks, not only from individuals but also from the state, in borders and airports, ongoing to this day.

If you think it "united the country" then you either have rose-tinted glasses on, or you had your opinion validated by the pro-war media and never looked elsewhere. The difference is that now the media disagrees with you.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by dham »

macintux wrote: post #439
dham wrote: post #430

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I mean you could get Osha to start banning foods or do whatever with the jurisdiction they have now. Tax sugar out of existence. Then government subsidize all healthier foods. I mean the amount of money we spent no Covid we could have done all this.... But wait are you saying people should be able to make their on decisions? Obesity effects only a single person. Nope obesity is transmissible. I've seen too many coupl…

No one in the history of the world has died from obesity two weeks after simply spending time with another obese person.

Yes but if we sent everyone a Peloton in March 2020 and required use of it how many people would we have saved by now? Just pay people to use it which seems more ethical than paying people to take the vaccine.

Pandemics come and go. We might as well use fear to pass policies now like we did after 9/11

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