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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by md_ »

kook_throwaway wrote: post #490
md_ wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Inevitable outcome in a society that is terrified of everything. I agree. Lots of folks afraid to take a shot that's been well-studied and given to millions and is, in all probability, quite safe. ;) I chalk it up to the youth, who are selfish and only able to think about themselves and their Friendster ranks and how many YouTubes they have on the FaceSpace.

>Lots of folks afraid to take a shot that's been well-studied and given to millions and is, in all probability, quite safe. ;) That's one way to describe it. Another less charitable way to describe it: a novel gene therapy being deployed by organizations with a long history of experimenting on the people they were meant to protect. Pfizer and J&J got the two biggest fines ever handed out by the US government, and mod…

I guess I'm just willing to live dangerously. Lots of folks are just too coddled and unwilling to take a risk, even for the greater good.

Back in the good old days, we were really willing to take risks--to cross oceans, even, as the op wrote--to do new things that could benefit our fellow human beings. Now it's all about "Oh no, this is a novel therapy that might infinitesimally increase my personal risk".

Really kind of sad.

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Post by drewg123 »

leesalminen wrote: post #468
drewg123 wrote: post #461

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I didn't realize that, but you're probably right. The point I was trying to make is that neither I, nor my roommate (the only other patient I've had a conversation with) realized exactly how bad of shape the hospitals were in until we showed up at the ER and experienced it in person. The relentless media coverage is easy to tune out after a while, but actually experiencing the effects of a COVID surge personally brin…

Did you go to an emergency room in 2019, by chance? Waiting many hours to be admitted has been the norm in American healthcare for a very long time.

According to the staff, the temporary holding area I was in (an office cube farm converted to holding patients in recliners) was new, as was the practice of lining every available hallway with people in beds. I went to this hospital specifically because it was close to home (riding in a car with an appendicitis is agony), and because it advertised low wait times. It turns out the low wait time was to be triaged, not to be treated.

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Post by vxNsr »

tomrod wrote: post #349
longthrow1 wrote: post #328

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Have you gotten your swine flu vaccine yet? Fauci says it's completely safe. If you trust the government you should rush out and get it for yourself and any children you know. Also, the fda has a perfect track record for only approving safe treatments, so why worry?

Look, let's look at the human side here. I understand your fear of the vaccine and possibly rage at people encouraging, exhorting, or even possibly looking down on you for your desire for safety. PM me if you want a safe person to speak with. Whether or not you want to reach out, know that I encourage you to be vaccinated and that the data supports that it is quite safe. The medical tradeoff of myocarditis (the large…

Just so you know hn doesn’t have any pm functionality, you also don’t have any contact info in your hn bio, which is how most ppl connect outside of hn.

I will say, however, you’ve been incredibly dismissive and condescending, at times even insulting throughout this entire thread, up and down the page, even as someone who is pro-vaccine, I wouldn’t consider you “safe”. So your offers comes off as more gaslighting than anything else.

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Post by Ekaros »

astura wrote: post #451
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

If flu vaccines were paid for entirely by the government I'd imagine that mandating companies hold onsite influenza vaccine clinics yearly would be largely uncontroversial and fairly effective.

Question is not availability but banning anyone without one from working.

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Post by peteradio »

zhdc1 wrote: post #379
refurb wrote: post #197

Contrast this with Germany. Employers are asking for permission to confirm employee vaccine status and the govt is saying “no, you can’t do that”. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-bosses-cant-ask-about-employee...

And yet, you can't get into a restaurant or cafe in Germany without a valid COVID-19 vaccination certificate or a negative test. The same is true for most EU member states.

Or have recovered from covid. Not sure why you would leave that bit out.

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Post by pwinnski »

the-dude wrote: post #171
david_allison wrote: post #165

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> PATRIOT act Not sure if you're aware, but it expired in 2020

That is a bit of a moot point for a something that has been active for 2 decades. To call 20 years 'temporary' is a big stretch.

It was temporary, originally enacted for four years. Unfortunately, it was extended a few times in whole and then in part before finally being allowed to expire completely after 18 years.

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Post by tomrod »

peteradio wrote: post #454
tomrod wrote: post #237

I see this as an unmitigated good and the only way we move forward on normalcy. May it inspire others to do similar so we can address vaccinations here then move our surplus abroad.

More than 100 million (maybe closer to 150 million) Americans are estimated to have recovered already and have earned their immunity the hard way. Tell me why that doesn't count.

Because they are even more resistant to reinfection with the vaccine.

Anti-vaccination enthusiasts have had a year to make their case. It's time to roll up sleeves for civic duty.

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Post by dannyr »

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #497

Arguably this is probably more of a maneuver to distract from the epic fail withdrawal from Afghanistan. They'll be fighting this out in the courts for years.

Oh no. The govt is distracting us by trying to save people's lives.

/s

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Post by oceanplexian »

rudolph9 wrote: post #428
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

The flu doesn't overwhelm hospitals in recent history. Covid-19 regularly causes governors to declare state-of-emergency in order to care for the massive number of people who need medical attention due to the disease. I can't help but think like your comment is more intended provoke heated responses than encourage constructive discussion.

The flu definitely overwhelms hospitals on a yearly basis. Try searching Google with a date filter before 2020 for hospital overcrowding and flu.

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Post by TooKool4This »

ctrlp wrote: post #203

Whether or not you agree if there is legal authority for mandates for this vaccine or this pandemic, where does it end? The trajectory we're on is for all people to be monitored by the State for compliance with the vaccine programs. Israel is already saying 4 shots (and more) will required [0] to participate in that society. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are quasi-police states [1] and will probably mandate vacc…

> Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are quasi-police states [1] and will probably mandate vaccination+boosters soon.

Regardless of whatever metric you use to define “freedom” all of those countries rank higher than the US pre-Covid for “freedom”[1][2][3]. If your argument is that those countries are fundamentally “less-free” post-Covid due to public health measures, I don’t see the data to support that. To imply that all those countries will shift from the principles that drive them pre-Covid to a police-state post-Covid is very unlikely given the prior right?

As someone who’s lived in one of those countries and the US, I can say that the tendency of the US to argue over every small issue, even if it is overwhelmingly common sense and beneficial, takes away a lot of focus on the big issues that the country needs to solve.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

[2] https://rsf.org/en/ranking_table

[3] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-i...

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