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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by merrywhether »

disneygibson wrote: post #353

Inevitable outcome in a society that is terrified of everything. And to think that our ancestors sailed across the oceans into the unknown and faced diseases, war, famine, and worse. Now we are instituting a surveillance state in the name of a fairly bad flu virus with a 99% survival rate. We really need a new frontier. Hopefully space travel happens before human beings become completely domesticated.

Yeah, so many people see boogeymen around every corner, living in fear of deep conspiracies like chemtrails and nanobots and others. It’s amazing how much they’ve let fear overtake their brains.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by leesalminen »

_fat_santa wrote: post #243
version_five wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree and support this. People want to conflate the issues of not believing in vaccines (or whatever words they like to put in peoples mouths) and believing in having to provide proof of a personal health situation all over the place. It's convenient to pretend that anyone who is against government and corporate overreach is an "anti-vaxxer" instead of actually engage with the issue.

I just hate that there seems to be zero nuance now on the topic. According to the media you're in one of two camps. Camp 1: Pro vaccine, pro mask, pro lockdown, pro doing anything and everything the government says. Camp 2: Anti vaxx, anti mask, anti lockdown, trump supporter, Jan 7th attendee, etc. And it seems that now more than ever, if you're not 10000% in Camp 1, you're automatically assumed to be in Camp 2

What happened on January 7th?

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Post by merpnderp »

psychometry wrote: post #357
guscost wrote: post #272

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A yearly combination COVID and influenza shot will be the next mandate - at least in the fascist shitholes that are still subject to these rules.

Ah yes, the shithole states like Vermont and Massachusetts, which are so much unlike the paradise that is Mississippi.

At some point you have enough money, as a famous beloved man once said, and issues like agency become far more important (he didn't say that last part).

Mississippi might be a poor state, but its GDP is still higher than most European countries.

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Post by leesalminen »

longthrow1 wrote: post #159
silentmajthrw54 wrote: post #35

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Created this throwaway to say that there are at least some others who agree but are too scared of the current cultural tone to speak openly about this. I feel thoroughly alienated from my peer-group and family over their fervor for this response and against any who disagree.

I'm sorry, but I think this is time to speak up. We're losing rights month by month, slowly following in Australia's authoritarian footsteps. So many who oppose this are too afraid to say anything, and the result is the appearance of overwhelming support for such measures, mainly because those who do support are much more aggressive, louder, willing to directly attack others personally and even physically. We shouldn…

You say it's time to speak up, but you're using a throwaway account. You could very well be a Russian mis-information agent.

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Post by drewg123 »

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital.

I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He may now loose his foot. The nurses on this non-COVID floor are on a skeleton staff to shift resources to care for COVID patients, the majority of which are unvaccinated. Around the country, some hospitals are pausing "elective" treatments, like cancer surgeries due to the flood of unvaccinated critically ill COVID patients.

I almost wish that the anti-vaxxers would just stick to their science-rejecting principles and reject all health care, not just the vaccine. If they were to just die at home instead of clogging up the health care system unnecessarily, the vaccine would not be such a big deal.

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Post by tolmasky »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #360
tolmasky wrote: post #317

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If we lived in a non-influenza world that suddenly experienced influenza for the first time, we would think it's crazy to not only allow, but many times encourage, sick employees to come to work and basically take out the entire office. It's like just committing to losing a week's worth of productivity across the board. One nice benefit of going more remote is that we can hopefully "personalize" the cold/flu experien…

One would hope. My struggle previously with having a cold is that those can stick around for a week or two - until we set this new precedent for working from home I couldn't just disappear for a week because I didn't feel well so I'd inevitably take a day when it was especially bad, but then I'd come in and spread it around anyways.

One of the unfortunate parts about colds is that the range of experiences seems to be fairly large for different people. It sounds that like me, you've never experiencd a "24 hour bug," and a cold is at minimum a one week affair. Not sure if you've looked into it, but there is some research starting to develop around why this is the case, namely, it might be bacteria that inhabit our nose that take advantage when our defenses are down from a cold: https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20181001/colds-espec...

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by rudolph9 »

Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

The flu doesn't overwhelm hospitals in recent history. Covid-19 regularly causes governors to declare state-of-emergency in order to care for the massive number of people who need medical attention due to the disease.

I can't help but think like your comment is more intended provoke heated responses than encourage constructive discussion.

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Post by mfer »

robmccoll wrote: post #364
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

Yeah what's next? Making other behaviors that have a small but established likelihood of endangering the lives of others or their property illegal at little to no cost to the liberty of an individual? Pretty soon I won't be able to drive my car under the influence, or without proper insurance, or while not wearing a seatbelt, or I won't be able to discharge my firearms in my 0.2 acre backyard in a suburban area. 650,…

An interesting element is my choice vs choices put on me. There is another angle people talk about...

The building I work in was designed and built by others. Regulations mean they can't cut corners in their impact of me.

A vaccine that protects me from getting the virus or getting a serious case.

It's a difference between others work impacting my safety and my own choices impacting my safety.

This is an area worth pondering.

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Post by disneygibson »

boplicity wrote: post #420
disneygibson wrote: post #387

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So we should mandate everything that saves lives, no matter the cost to freedom or infringing of rights? This is the issue with technocratic government: zero understanding of anything deeper than “if it works, do it!”

I am open to hearing a coherent description of the specific "cost to freedom" of taking one of the widely available COVID vaccines.

I don’t think most people have an issue with voluntary vaccination. The problem is when nefarious actors use the situation to create a surveillance state, social credit system, and then exclude people from doing simple human things like eating at a restaurant.

Australia is the future of the Western world.

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