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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by robmccoll »

robmccoll wrote: post #364
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

Yeah what's next? Making other behaviors that have a small but established likelihood of endangering the lives of others or their property illegal at little to no cost to the liberty of an individual? Pretty soon I won't be able to drive my car under the influence, or without proper insurance, or while not wearing a seatbelt, or I won't be able to discharge my firearms in my 0.2 acre backyard in a suburban area. 650,…

I really wish HN had a controversy upvote / downvote ratio - maybe multiplied by number of votes?

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Post by slavboj »

walterbell wrote: post #5
lalaland1125 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would employers need additional immunity? Do schools usually need legal immunity when they require vaccines?

The MMR vaccine required by school is sterilizing, once and done. Intramuscular Covid vaccines provide blood/serum antibodies that can reduce the risk of severe disease or death, but they are non-sterilizing. They never promised to prevent infection and the CDC has updated their definitions to make that clear. Why would employers need legal immunity? Their lawyers may want to look closely at the legal immunity protec…

"They never promised to prevent infection"

Are we really going to bother digging up the copious video evidence this is a lie? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xcur3kwCyg

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Post by SiempreViernes »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #322
DaftDank wrote: post #302

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There's always been two Americas, if not more. We've just tried to fool ourselves into believing otherwise for a long time.

Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.

If you mean the civil war, that wasn't to "keep them together": it was one side forcing the other to get back in line and give up its slaves. It was not a conflict where two somewhat equal partners work out their difficulties, it was a war where the central government fought down an insurrection and during witch the south got utterly devastated and was under occupation for 10 years.

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Post by leesalminen »

edot wrote: post #383
josho wrote: post #280

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I haven't spoken to an anti-vaxxer yet. Those that I've seen in the media have been completely irrational (5g/bill gates theories). So, I'm looking forward to learning from a rational person what their motivations are. What are your reasons to refuse a vaccine? Weren't you vaccinated as a child for polio & chicken pox? Why is this vaccine a hill to die on? Thanks.

I’m vaccinated, but against this vaccine mandate. My proposed method is this: 1) If you want to get vaccinated, get vaccinated. 2) If you don’t, don’t. 3) If you go to the hospital with a COVID infection, your care is covered by insurance if you are vaccinated. If you are not, your care is not covered by insurance. This allows people to make decisions about their bodies, while also fending off the two main arguments…

To quote our vice-president, "The right of women to make decisions about their own bodies is not negotiable. The right of women to make decisions about their own bodies is their decision, it is their body."

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Post by DiffEq »

probably_wrong wrote: post #311
DiffEq wrote: post #152

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If I may ask - can you tell me which city's hospital beds are full due to Covid 19 patients?

Right now? In the USA? "Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Florida and Arkansas have less than 10% left of their ICU bed capacity, according to data from the Department of Health and Human Services. (...) Idaho had just four ICU beds available out of the 400 beds total in the state, Gov. Brad Little said." https://www.wktv.com/content/news/These-5-states-have-less-t...

I asked for FULL hospitals. There are none apparently. 97% is concerning but not full and that is what these beds are for...looks like everything is fine. I also think it is interesting how I get voted down for just asking the question.

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Post by rufus_foreman »

tolmasky wrote: post #350

The more time passes, the more I'm convinced that the right strategy would have been to make the vaccines initially cost $35,000 a dose, so that the outcry would have been that the Illuminati was making it impossible for the common man to get access to these life-saving drugs. Then, after months of argumentation, people could have had the victory of having the vaccines "liberated" and offered for free, such that gett…

That's the Captain Cook approach. To get his crew to eat sauerkraut, which was thought to prevent scurvy, he started out by only serving it at the officers table. The crew then asked if they could have it too.

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Post by TOMDM »

pseudo0 wrote: post #337
TOMDM wrote: post #287

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If it weren't already standard, there is no way we'd be able to mandate seat belts today. EDIT: I'm pro seatbelt just in case that needed clarifying

If you want an interesting read, check out the battle over seatbelt interlock devices. Optional seatbelts (with perhaps fines for non-use depending on the jurisdiction) was the compromise between none at all and cars not functioning without them being in use. https://www.history.com/news/seat-belt-laws-resistance

That was a really interesting read, thank you

I guess we have Elizabeth Dole to thank in part for near ubiquitous air bags and seatbelts.

I hate to think how many would die every year without them.

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Post by disneygibson »

robmccoll wrote: post #364
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

Yeah what's next? Making other behaviors that have a small but established likelihood of endangering the lives of others or their property illegal at little to no cost to the liberty of an individual? Pretty soon I won't be able to drive my car under the influence, or without proper insurance, or while not wearing a seatbelt, or I won't be able to discharge my firearms in my 0.2 acre backyard in a suburban area. 650,…

You really think those death numbers are accurate? There are a ton of incentives present (read: federal $$$) for hospitals and others to exaggerate death counts and case numbers.

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Post by coin »

jononomo wrote: post #408
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

This makes good sense and I fully support this idea. I'm also in favor of heavily taxing soda and beer.

How is taxing soda, beer related to mandatory vaccines?

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Post by boplicity »

disneygibson wrote: post #387
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

So we should mandate everything that saves lives, no matter the cost to freedom or infringing of rights? This is the issue with technocratic government: zero understanding of anything deeper than “if it works, do it!”

I am open to hearing a coherent description of the specific "cost to freedom" of taking one of the widely available COVID vaccines.
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