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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by md_ »

Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

It would probably save lives _and_ lower the cost of healthcare. This is why many employers already offer free on-site "influence" (heh) shots for employees: it makes good business sense.

I'm never sure how to take objections like yours, because there are certainly a few different things to discuss. Is your objection to the government's role in this (such that you'd be fine with private employers enforcing whatever mandates they wish)? Or are you objecting to the mandatory vaccination (in which case, what do you have against spitting into a vial once a week)?

Or are you more of a technocrat, concerned that the ROI (in terms of, say, QUALYs, as economists like to put it) gained through these policies isn't worth the cost?

All strike me as viable arguments, but it's always hard to tell which one is being put forward.

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Post by TOMDM »

pibechorro wrote: post #176
walterbell wrote: post #2

Is the federal government going to provide employers with the same legal immunity granted to pharmaceutical vendors via the PREP act? Does this mandate incorporate the Sept 2021 CDC definition of vaccine, https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article25... > Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.”…

goal posts keep moving to fit the agenda of handing a select few billions of dollars at our expense.

Unless you mean a very literal "at our expense" as in dollars paid for a highly effective vaccine, are you implying that the vaccine has been a net negative?

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Post by maxerickson »

NDizzle wrote: post #144
maxerickson wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Covid monoclonals are also only available under EUAs. And no one is being strapped down and vaccinated, some consequences are being imposed for some choices. For instance, for workers at larger companies that don't get vaccinated, there is an expectation that the employer will check weekly for negative test results.

I’ve worked remotely for 12 years. I should obviously be exempt, right? Why not?

What did they implement for remote workers?

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Post by zerocount »

nanis wrote: post #64
asquabventured wrote: post #13

I refuse to comply with this over reach and I’m fully vaccinated

> I’m fully vaccinated Temporarily . I am assuming you had your second shot more than two weeks ago. Soon, the definition of "fully vaccinated" will change to require the third shot and you will be counted among the unvaccinated as it is currently done for people with a single shot or less than two weeks past their second shot when it comes to death/hospitalization stats. We are close to living in Arcadia[1]. [1]: ht…

Yep, that's how it is in Israel. Get the boosters or no 'pass' for you.

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Post by TOMDM »

enkid wrote: post #255
ctrlp wrote: post #203

Whether or not you agree if there is legal authority for mandates for this vaccine or this pandemic, where does it end? The trajectory we're on is for all people to be monitored by the State for compliance with the vaccine programs. Israel is already saying 4 shots (and more) will required [0] to participate in that society. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are quasi-police states [1] and will probably mandate vacc…

This exact argument could be used to push back against environmental standards, occupational safety standards, or drinking water standards. I don't want cholera outbreaks and I don't want the health system to collapse because of COVID.

If it weren't already standard, there is no way we'd be able to mandate seat belts today.

EDIT: I'm pro seatbelt just in case that needed clarifying

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Post by tomrod »

josho wrote: post #266
BurningFrog wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We still don't really understand how diet affects health long term. The effects of smoking OTOH are extremely clear.

> We still don't really understand how diet affects health long term. I thought it was pretty clear that we do. Go talk to any physician and they will tell you the 3 things you control to increase your chances of a long & healthy life are: 1. Limit alcohol/tobacco 2. exercise frequently 3. eat a healthy diet Are you suggesting for #3 they have no data to back that recommendation up?

Eh, yes there is data but the association is not clear and straightforward that diet is the necessary or sufficient condition for metabolic or cardiovascular diseases. What you're quoting is, in healthcare, called the "standard of care" and is the workflow that is recommended for doctors (i.e. less likely to be sued for malpractice if they follow the route). Most doctors are technicians, not researchers establishing causal claims with strong data.

Please don't misread, I agree with you in principle. I am simply pointing out there are nuances.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #120

Our largest healthcare provider has already mandated vaccines for their staff and insurance companies are now following suit because they got hammered with life insurance payouts for 2020 and first half of 2021. Waiting for retailers to announce this as well at some point.

Unless the healthcare provider is also selling life insurance policies, I do not understand how they would have “got hammered”.

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Post by ceejayoz »

guscost wrote: post #251
tomrod wrote: post #237

I see this as an unmitigated good and the only way we move forward on normalcy. May it inspire others to do similar so we can address vaccinations here then move our surplus abroad.

“Normalcy” is gone for good. If you’re actually still hoping for some future that looks like the pre-COVID times, you’re going to be disappointed. Hoping to avoid war is more in alignment with reality, at this point.

> “Normalcy” is gone for good.

Unless you want to live naked in a tribe on the African savannas, "normalcy" has been changing for tens of thousands of years, and very fast for the couple hundred, and extremely so for the last hundred. It should not be a surprise that it continues to do so, and "you have to get certain vaccines" has been a thing for any kid going through public schools and/or college for decades. This is nothing new.

92% of Americans are vaccinated for polio within 24 months of birth. 90% for MMR. 90% for chickenpox. 80% for DTaP. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm

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