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Fascism. It’s just called fascism.
Yes, this is the same as putting people in concentration camps
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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
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#232Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…
It does prevent spread.
> I do not understand the infantilization of society.
The real infantilization would be catering to people that aren't prepared to do their bit for society. These are the children, that in the face of the evidence, will do ANYTHING to prevent the bruising of their egos.
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#233It's pretty egregious that there is no mention of accommodation for individuals who have already acquired effective immunity through previous infection. Other countries are well ahead of the U.S in this regard. These mandates appear to completely neglect entire aspects of scientific consensus.
- Acquired immunity fades with time - You aren't required to get the vaccine, you can undergo weekly testing instead
Natural immunity is stronger than artificial immunity https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
#234Our largest healthcare provider has already mandated vaccines for their staff and insurance companies are now following suit because they got hammered with life insurance payouts for 2020 and first half of 2021. Waiting for retailers to announce this as well at some point.
Maybe slightly off topic, but it’s always been odd to me how life insurance tests with vigor for tobacco use but lack that enthusiasm for metabolic health / diet.
To get my life insurance 5ish years ago, I had to have a blood test that included tobacco, drug use and cholesterol. My understanding is that is pretty common.
One you qualify though, I don't think they can re-test you.
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#235Is the federal government going to provide employers with the same legal immunity granted to pharmaceutical vendors via the PREP act? Does this mandate incorporate the Sept 2021 CDC definition of vaccine, https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article25... > Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.”…
Why would employers need additional immunity? Do schools usually need legal immunity when they require vaccines?
If you cannot sue the maker of the vaccine, enterprising lawyers will sue the deepest pockets involved in making you get vaccinated.
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#236Maskers/Vaxxers are a FUCKING CULT. Go kill yourselves you biofascist fucking pieces of shit! I hope you die in a fucking housefire. FUCK YOU! KILL YOURSELF!
Could you please stop creating accounts to post like this to HN? I'm sure you have good reason to feel strongly, but when you post like this, you're just discrediting your own position. That doesn't help you, and it hurts the people who agree with you.
Just wanted to say thanks, dang. You’re the man.
Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
#237I see this as an unmitigated good and the only way we move forward on normalcy. May it inspire others to do similar so we can address vaccinations here then move our surplus abroad.
Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
#238Our largest healthcare provider has already mandated vaccines for their staff and insurance companies are now following suit because they got hammered with life insurance payouts for 2020 and first half of 2021. Waiting for retailers to announce this as well at some point.
Maybe slightly off topic, but it’s always been odd to me how life insurance tests with vigor for tobacco use but lack that enthusiasm for metabolic health / diet.
They certainly test for basic health, or did with me. I had to give blood and urine, and a nurse came to check other vitals. They also get your basic measurements which gives them BMI. They can then categorize you into "preferred" or other groups.
Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
#239Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…
But vaccines do reduce spread.
https://archive.is/fCv5F (National Geographic) https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-ri...
That's why states with higher vaccination rates are seeing less spread than states with low vaccination rates.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/highly-vaccinated-states-keep-w...
No, it doesn't absolutely prevent spread, but that's a ridiculous standard (often used to assure a certain rhetorical outcome rather than to shed light on the subject).
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would employers need additional immunity? Do schools usually need legal immunity when they require vaccines?
The MMR vaccine required by school is sterilizing, once and done. Intramuscular Covid vaccines provide blood/serum antibodies that can reduce the risk of severe disease or death, but they are non-sterilizing. They never promised to prevent infection and the CDC has updated their definitions to make that clear. Why would employers need legal immunity? Their lawyers may want to look closely at the legal immunity protec…
What does "sterilizing" mean in this context?