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Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by justicezyx »

redwood wrote: post #640
justicezyx wrote: post #637

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This type of thing happened rarely... This is a rogue CEO who is exploiting a particular legality niche to fight his own board. And had committed misconduct before. This is a extradinary situation. Not something you see often.

You kidding? This is par for the course.. this is the macro playbook that we've seen time and time again over the last 20 years

> this is the macro playbook that we've seen time and time again over the last 20 years

What? American CEO in China are doing this kind of shit? Oh god, I have been in US for 12 years, so the American corporations have been plaguing the Chinese economy all the time?

No wonder indigenous Chinese companies eventually win. These American CEO are trash ...

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Post by vkou »

hintymad wrote: post #571
vkou wrote: post #183

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You can't speculate as to China's outcome in the 21st century, based on what its rulers may have thought in the 19th century, on an alt-historical timeline that skipped the opium wars, and the century of occupation, civil war, war, and some more civil war. I mean, you can, but your speculation is as good as anyone else's. In the late 19th century, Russia still had serfs, and Americans practiced chattel slavery. By th…

I didn't speculate China's outcome. I was give an example to show that we can't blame colonialism for every country's struggle.

You can't blame colonialism for China's pre-colonial-period problems, but you sure as hell have to give it the lion's share of credit for it's colonial problems.

Colonialism in China ended in 1945, a generation after the Qing dynasty. That time period was not a great time to live there, between the Japanese occupation, the civil war, and the country being split amongst a gaggle of warlords.

Whether or not the country would have developed without all of that is an open question. But if we were to ask whether not all those things were preventing development, the answer is 'Obviously, yes.'

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Post by vkou »

mbrodersen wrote: post #562
vkou wrote: post #120

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> What's changed? Colonialism ended. The west was not light years ahead of, say, India, when it was first colonized. In the process of colonizing it, India's industrialization was stopped. Countries didn't somehow fall into 'developed' and 'undeveloped' buckets by divine fiat. The latter tended to be invaded by the former, with the occupiers focusing more on wealth extraction, than development. Once that parasitic re…

If the west wasn’t light years ahead of India, why was it so easy for the west to take control of India and rule it for hundreds of years? I am honestly interested in what you think the reason was.

Britain invaded during a period of political instability, civil war, and factionalism immediately following the collapse of the Mughal empire. It then carried out divide-and conquer tactics, fighting India peacemeal.

During colonization, GDP, productive output, life expectancy, and quality of life in India plummeted.

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Post by chrischen »

landryraccoon wrote: post #462
chrischen wrote: post #94

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If your system can’t win because it’s inherently better, then maybe your system shouldn’t win? Have a little faith. Our system shouldn’t win just because we are using it. After all, our core beliefs are that it is a better system, not just through our pure force of will. The OP is right, much of China is is still undeveloped and their policies short-sighted and naive. In fact the whole government is so sensitive to f…

I'm curious where you fix the goalposts. The GDP of the Soviet Union never exceeded that of the United States at any point. If the GDP of China exceeds the United States in the near future (which seems quite possible), how does that fact reconcile with your analysis? I find the government of China to be morally reprehensible. However there are plenty of cases in history in the real world where that which is morally r…

If they prevail in the short term then that answers your question. A lot of things prevail in the short term.

If they prevail in the long term, then we might need to revisit our morals.

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Post by smhost »

selimthegrim wrote: post #618
smhost wrote: post #599

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I don't have the numbers on Muslims, but here you go: https://en.mundohispanico.com/the-uterus-collector-sterilize... You've probably already thought of multiple excuses, because you've been conditioned not to think of immigrants in concentration camps as people.

How about you don't make assumptions about who you're talking to?

How about you shut the fuck up?

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by smhost »

anm89 wrote: post #626
smhost wrote: post #577

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https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/unworthy-victims-weste... Just say you don't care. The most unbearing thing for us is that you claim to care while brutalizing and fetishizing others to justify your own crusade.

You are comparing indirect casualties from a war to people intentionally murdered in concentration camps. You are correct. I don't find that in any way to be a compelling argument.

Psychotic imperialist moment.

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Post by onethought »

otterley wrote: post #431
onethought wrote: post #419

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I know. Let’s excuse the rules when it doesn’t convenience us. How about using drug addiction to force trade… then complaining that party doesn’t follow the trade rules? I love how we talk about how “China doesn’t follow the rules”… and completely ignore the context of how they were dragged into the game unwillingly

Don't change the subject, Paid Chinese Agent. We know who you are.

Not changing the subject. 100% China thinks about that context constantly. They don’t think the rules of trade or fair, and actively exploit them.

Sometimes people don’t think like you do, and that’s okay. It doesn’t mean they are paid by nefarious actors or are state shills.

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Post by onethought »

mc32 wrote: post #449
onethought wrote: post #419

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I know. Let’s excuse the rules when it doesn’t convenience us. How about using drug addiction to force trade… then complaining that party doesn’t follow the trade rules? I love how we talk about how “China doesn’t follow the rules”… and completely ignore the context of how they were dragged into the game unwillingly

WHAT rules need excusing? they did not exist back then.

But what if one disagrees with the creation of said rules.

US could always stop trade with China… sanction them, like Iran, no?

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Post by onethought »

otterley wrote: post #428
onethought wrote: post #403

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So China invented paper, printing and gunpowder. That’s pretty significant IP theft… no one talks about it.

How long after it was invented was it "stolen"? Timing matters.

Could they file a patent now? :)

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Post by onethought »

MichaelGroves wrote: post #418
onethought wrote: post #403

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So China invented paper, printing and gunpowder. That’s pretty significant IP theft… no one talks about it.

No one talks about it? China inventing paper, printing and gunpowder is something every school child knows. I think I've heard about it about a million times. These facts are common knowledge; certainly paper and gunpowder. Printing is an odd example; the reason Gutenberg was influential is not the reason most people think. He did not invent movable type. He invented systems for mass producing movable type, particula…

Why do you need to mass produce moveable type? Don’t you just need one of each letter? Or in the context of Chinese: one for each stroke (so perhaps a simpler problem).
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