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Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by hintymad » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 5:05 AM UTC

vkou wrote: post #183

hintymad wrote: post #141

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I'm not sure if we can attribute the gap solely to colonialism. Chinese rulers back in 1890s thought the products of industrialization were simply exotic crap. They despised STEM and didn't have a single school teaching STEM (there were a few such schools due to the Western Affairs Movement, but they were not created by the government). I don't think this level of barbarian culture was caused by colonialism.

You can't speculate as to China's outcome in the 21st century, based on what its rulers may have thought in the 19th century, on an alt-historical timeline that skipped the opium wars, and the century of occupation, civil war, war, and some more civil war. I mean, you can, but your speculation is as good as anyone else's. In the late 19th century, Russia still had serfs, and Americans practiced chattel slavery. By th…

I didn't speculate China's outcome. I was give an example to show that we can't blame colonialism for every country's struggle.

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by Aunche » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 5:14 AM UTC

ggm wrote: post #316

Not entirely defending things but observing that if you are of a view that IPR is basically absurd, "stealing" it may be equally absurd, but rational. After you've stolen it, it's still "there" except for the exclusivity. Chips will still exist, fab lines will still run. Profits have tanked, sure. Innovation is probably stifled but that's an opportunity loss. There's a long history of stealing IPR at the state level…

Exactly. Most companies do know that intellectual property doesn't mean shit in China, but choose to do business with them anyways because they'd prefer the ability to manufacture things for ridiculously cheap. Just like how companies in developed nations leverage their capital advantage to make many times more profit than their Chinese suppliers, Chinese companies leverage their manufacturing advantage to capture IP from companies of developed nations. If you consider the latter theft, then you should consider the former theft as well.

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by throwaway894345 » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 5:15 AM UTC

vikiomega9 wrote: post #268

throwaway894345 wrote: post #217

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> For all its innumerable faults, flaws, and outright human rights violations: the West of the latter 20th century seemed like a plausible v0.0.1 of some future, hypothetical, benevolent society. A large digression, but I do wish we didn't need these silly ritual flagellations each time we mention that the West was actually pretty good. To call these things "human rights violations" implies that the West defied some…

I agree with you except post-independence in the middle of the 19th and 20th century , the supposedly benevolent West hedged and continue to plunder and usurp Africa and Asia. Values based? Sure, see how rational it is, for you but not for us. We must agree upon universal declarations and you better listen up we know what we're doing . I have no idea why you think these are `silly ritual flagellations`. Drop everythi…

Dang dude, this is clearly bothering you. You should find a professional therapist to talk through this with, sincerely.

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 5:16 AM UTC

ap0110 wrote: post #528

factorialboy wrote: post #264

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I slap when when you come over to my home, because it's rule of my home. When you invite me, I take advantage of your hospitality and enjoy some tea.

There is reason I'm willing to be slapped by you. May be is your daughter or w Just like some company do tech transfer in exchange for access to the market. You are welcome to take advantage of my hospitality and tea. But do you know what is in the tea? You might get addicted to the tea that you willing to obey me. Just like sanction ( weaponizing dollar )

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Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by NonEUCitizen » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 5:20 AM UTC

wazoox wrote: post #296

barrkel wrote: post #5

This is the standard Chinese operating model, as I understand it. Accept foreign subsidiary investment on condition of 51% Chinese ownership, transfer the technology, then turn around and compete with the parent. It was a similar story with maglev trains.

And Airbus. An incredible number of people working at Airbus Tianjin factory went to work at Comac.

In California, we celebrate workers' rights to move between companies, and have made non-compete clauses unenforceable.

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Post by anm89 » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 5:22 AM UTC

smhost wrote: post #569

anm89 wrote: post #566

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I'll agree with this but the difference is drastic. Compare the number of people in Guantanamo to the number of people in Xinjiang. An order of magnitude of an order of magnitude difference. Guantanamo is an embarrassment but it isn't even close to the Xinjiang camps

America killed a million Muslims just in the time that I've been alive. China has done nothing so psychopathic and cruel.

Again, laughable. Care to justify that figure?

That's not nearly as bad as the 16 billion Uighurs the Chinese have in camps right now.

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by smhost » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 5:57 AM UTC

anm89 wrote: post #576

smhost wrote: post #569

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America killed a million Muslims just in the time that I've been alive. China has done nothing so psychopathic and cruel.

Again, laughable. Care to justify that figure? That's not nearly as bad as the 16 billion Uighurs the Chinese have in camps right now.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/unworthy-victims-weste...

Just say you don't care. The most unbearing thing for us is that you claim to care while brutalizing and fetishizing others to justify your own crusade.

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by AlexandrB » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 5:59 AM UTC

For a link with so many points and comments, this fell off of the front page unusually fast. Consider this link for contrast, which is one hour older with fewer points and comments (299|264 vs. 854|555) but still #10 on the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28329286

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Post by memonkey » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 6:19 AM UTC

denverkarma wrote: post #65

jimbob45 wrote: post #52

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This gets overblown a lot in the same way that we used to discredit Soviet scientific advancements by claiming they stole all the important bits from the Americans. Yes, China does steal US technology and industry and yes, it has happened on a number of occasions with concrete documentation. However, that does not mean that China is not capable of innovation or shrewd business moves and it should not be assumed to be…

The fact that they are more than capable of innovation and shrewd business is the entire reason that casually stealing whatever they want on top of things is problematic.

I don't see how that is any different if we're comparing it to the United States who is also capable of the same things but violently steals whatever they want.

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Post by russellbeattie » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 6:22 AM UTC

hncurious wrote: post #108

russellbeattie wrote: post #36

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The author of Dilbert, a comic popular because of its insight, has zero knowledge or insight? Good luck defending that assertion, let alone the rest of your claim.

Ah, so you're fine with him being a racist? Also, you think he's an insightful expert on China? Don't be stupid.