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Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by endymi0n »

Manuel_D wrote: post #34
_drimzy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you need to link your personal accounts with family photos and whatnot? Nope. You can create a separate iCloud account just for work. I did that during my time there. I always maintained a separate work phone, and used work icloud account for that. The folks complaining are the ones who just didn't do that, and added 'work data' on their personal account, which ofcourse they will have to hand over if subpoenaed.

Okay, that makes a lot more sense. To be frank, this twitter thread seems sensationalist if reality is closer to "I didn't bother to create a separate work account" rather than "Apple asked me to merge my personal account".

I find it harmful to jump to a conclusion too early and blame the victim. Forcing someone to merge these accounts can take many forms and Apple has thousands of different teams and managers.

Even if there was zero explicit or implicit force in place, the circumstances can still be non-obvious.

If you get handed a MacBook, you're basically forced to work with an iCloud account. And the fact that making the mistake of using your own one in the high-pressure situation of a first day in a massive company is apparently a non-reversible decision that hands over data that was created before and outside the employment definitely points towards Apple abusing their position of power here.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by anigbrowl »

lmm wrote: post #182
Cd00d wrote: post #148

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I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…

If you're trying to get promoted by doing unpaid overtime and/or unpaid oncall shifts, you're a class traitor screwing over your colleagues. Help them by setting healthy boundaries even if you don't actually need them yourself.

class traitor

I talk about class issues and economic justice a lot, but nobody owes prior allegiance to a particular class in a way that you can call them a traitor, unless it's some extreme example like a union official being willingly corrupted by a corporate fat cat - in which case a person is reneging on a promise they made, not some unilateral obligation.

You might not like or disapprove of someone's work/life choices or values, this person's certainly don't appeal to me as expressed. But someone's failure to share my values does not in any way make them a 'traitor'. That sort of assumption of mandatory loyalty and cultish denouncement isn't any kind of socialism or liberation; you cannot bully people into freedom.

This is an asinine and immature way of doing politics and I urge you grow out of it.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by saagarjha »

dylan604 wrote: post #213
pbreit wrote: post #57

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I doubt it. I've never heard first-hand of anyone running into any trouble that this would mitigate. Some people are just crazy overzealously fearful of employers and BigCos.

I've personally started working for a company that demanded any code that I write during employment for company is owned by them regardless if I write it during working hours or at home. I had to list out each project that I had worked on or continuing to work on to establish a history of before/after start of employment. Any new personal project had to be added to the list after a discussion to see how that project…

> The concept here is that if you learned something new at work and then implement it into your own private projects, the company wants that project since they paid for your time learning new something.

This is not how the law works if you’re in California at least. They’ll still get you for other things if you work at a large company, but not for that.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by vanviegen »

nxpnsv wrote: post #221
Cd00d wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…

I have found few things as freeing as removing slack from my phone, especially at the playground - i enjoy the time i spend with my kids more.

To me, being at the playground is not a prime example of spending time with my kids. I'm fine with replying to some work related messages while basically watching my kids play.

Playing soccer together, reading to them, playing a board game, doing a joint Lego construction project, learning them to skate, etc. That's spending time together. It doesn't mix well with work.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by devnull3 »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #184
devnull3 wrote: post #106

It seems this person has/had some major work problems at Apple. The employees there apparently kept scores (on a white board?) to make her want to quit the job [1] [1] https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1427351298920239106 No matter who is in the wrong here, this is some A-grade toxic shit. This is unacceptable even for kids let alone adults.

Do people just assume she's telling a truthful story? I wonder that because I worked there for years and anything remotely like what she claims was implausible when I was there, and would have been immediately corrected with impunity had such occurred. I mean there's security all over and they're not in a managerial chain, so something seems very difficult about her claims to me. In saying that, maybe she did have so…

> Do people just assume she's telling a truthful story?

That is why said that no matter who is at fault here, this act of public score keeping is still not ok.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by renerthr »

3np wrote: post #230
renerthr wrote: post #223

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Thank you. The `host` field always has to have the format `word.word`? Or it can be just `word` without any dot in the middle?

You can call it anything you want save of whitespace (albeit I personally haven't tried emoji or other non-ASCII shenanigans :))

Thank you. Why is it that all examples in this thread use `.com` somewhere in the middle of the string used for the `host` field?

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by MichaelGroves »

jraph wrote: post #242
didericis wrote: post #31

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It’s a downgrade, but the freedom of running linux on a phone is nice. I have a pinephone running sxmo, probably the nerdiest and least friendly ux possible. I’ve been using it sparingly, but intend to make a full time switch pretty soon. Having a phone with less capability and a focus on privacy will I think help make my phone less of a mental zapping appendage and more like the useful tool I remember these things b…

I'm using a PinePhone right now and I hope I won't need to switch back to Android. I grew used to this freedom. However, I would recommend it only to the most determined people because many things don't work well. Forget GPS navigation. GPS does not get the correct location most of the time, AGPS only works through a hacky bash / python script. There is no good gps app anyway. The sms app on phosh is crashy and does…

> There is no good gps app anyway.

Forget global positioning specifically, shouldn't a good OpenStreetMap atlas application without automatic positioning be feasible, if not presently available? Today it might feel like caveman technology, but it's not that long ago that having a high quality up-to-date world atlas that fits in your pocket would have been considered a considerable marvel. That such an atlas might also tell you exactly where you are at all times is icing on the cake.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by brokenmachine »

lamontcg wrote: post #124

Wonder when we hit the point where we're just workers 24/7 and our Alexa/Siri devices are spying on what we say constantly and scoring it against a neural net which computes a terrorism risk score, with employees getting an extra unionization score which is sent to a special internal team to handle.

Don't worry about a thing!

Your recordings are all protected by hashing using advanced badthink crypto.

Each terrorism risk event is encrypted with a cryptographic safety voucher, which ensures a threshold of 30 badthink events need to be logged before the authorities are notified of your current location to be transported by iDrone to the Apple goodthink reeducation camp.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by 3np »

renerthr wrote: post #256
3np wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can call it anything you want save of whitespace (albeit I personally haven't tried emoji or other non-ASCII shenanigans :))

Thank you. Why is it that all examples in this thread use `.com` somewhere in the middle of the string used for the `host` field?

Personally I just found it natural to tack on a suffix. But you do you :)

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by anigbrowl »

mattigames wrote: post #206
dylan604 wrote: post #197

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This is just not a good outlook. Class traitor is ridiculous. If someone is of marrying age and/or child rearing age, are they a traitor to their class because they choose to work instead of whatever your preconceived notions are? People are different and have different work/life conditions than you. You're just going to need to come to terms with this.

The key term in their comment is "unpaid overtime", that's the part that makes them a traitor to their class.

It might make them a sucker, it might make them a sycophant, but you have no right to dictate someone else's values like that. I think this sort of tankie rhetoric is worse than useless.
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