Shitty ethics and overreach aside, that's also very bad operational security, as the attack surface on the account multiplies.
Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts
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#192Create a firewall between your personal and professional time. Another name for this is “setting healthy boundaries”. Always create new accounts for anything work related -- GitHub, Apple ID, whatever. Don’t install work apps on your personal phone. Don’t enrol your personal phone in corporate MDM. If they want you to use a device for work, ask them to give you one. Don’t do personal stuff on your work devices. Don’t…
And if you can't resist using a work device for something non-work-related, please restrict your use to things you wouldn't mind having printed out and sitting on your boss's desk.
my cutoff is whether I would send the email to my grandmother or not lol. I would never merge a personal and work account. They would just have to hand me my pink slip if they didn't like that.
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Is it considered free if you are using it with an organization?
Not if the org is paying for your seat.
My question was more, if I create a free account and it is linked to an organization, is that a paid account? The company didn't make my account, I did.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or read out loud and passed around in court. See the parent of the linked tweet.
I checked the parent tweet but still don't understand what you mean. Could you please elaborate?
"legal forced me" and "permanent evidence locker" = these texts are part of a legal discovery process (e.g. somebody sued Apple and their lawyers get a certain kind of access to Apple's corporate data)
If there's value for the other side to present the boob pictures as evidence in trial (e.g. in an attempt of character assassination), it will be rather hard to have them not passed around in court now that they're part of the "evidence locker" (as they call it) even though there were 100% personal and unrelated.
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I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…
This is where I think the new line of Linux phones need to put in a lot of work. Properly sandboxing applications and defending against corporate snoopers should be a top priority of any open source phone OS.
I mean you need an undetectable virtual machine for a phone really. That's the reality: I'm content with my phone running some type of hard to crack secure element so companies can convince themselves it's secure, but what I want is that thing isolated and it's network and cellular access gated.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…
> I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. You can spend as much time on work as you want, but you only get so much time with your children. OP's point is that you should guard the time you have and spend it wisely. Personally, I find carrying a second device and keeping things separate part of maintaining a healthy balance between my work and my pers…
Some people don't want any boundaries, and that's fine too.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…
If you're trying to get promoted by doing unpaid overtime and/or unpaid oncall shifts, you're a class traitor screwing over your colleagues. Help them by setting healthy boundaries even if you don't actually need them yourself.
This is just not a good outlook. Class traitor is ridiculous. If someone is of marrying age and/or child rearing age, are they a traitor to their class because they choose to work instead of whatever your preconceived notions are? People are different and have different work/life conditions than you. You're just going to need to come to terms with this.
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I don't follow ANY of this advice and am unlikely to do so anytime soon.
Exactly. I’m not saying trust my employer or that I dont, I don’t care that much. Logging into slack on my phone doesn’t give them access to all my life. I don’t have to be a slave to the company but I don’t have to be a slave to paranoia either.
That's not what people are talking about, they're talking about fully merging your personal and work accounts for things like iphoto, email, etc like Apple is talking about above.
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Personal devices could certainly be a part of discovery.
The company has no legal right to even know you have a personal device. You could just say you don't have one. Or just quit the company if they ask you to hand over a personal device.
In the US, you may not have freedom not to participate in a legal proceeding if discovery includes items on your personal device. Even if you quit.
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I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…
If you're trying to get promoted by doing unpaid overtime and/or unpaid oncall shifts, you're a class traitor screwing over your colleagues. Help them by setting healthy boundaries even if you don't actually need them yourself.
Salaried workers don't get over-time.
Also what's a class traitor? it's not like I'm working so hard not to become filthy rich. All my colleagues are doing the same.