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Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by nxpnsv »

Cd00d wrote: post #148
shaggyfrog wrote: post #7

Create a firewall between your personal and professional time. Another name for this is “setting healthy boundaries”. Always create new accounts for anything work related -- GitHub, Apple ID, whatever. Don’t install work apps on your personal phone. Don’t enrol your personal phone in corporate MDM. If they want you to use a device for work, ask them to give you one. Don’t do personal stuff on your work devices. Don’t…

I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…

I have found few things as freeing as removing slack from my phone, especially at the playground - i enjoy the time i spend with my kids more.

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Post by renerthr »

3np wrote: post #162
kondro wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A new host with what hostname? Because git uses github.com for all repos.

So one thing you can do is put the following in your ~/.gitconfig: [includeIf "gitdir:/home/john/corp/**"] path = .gitconfig-corp And then ~/.gitconfig-corp: [user] email = john@example.com name = John Doe [url "git@github.com-corp"] insteadOf = git@github.com Now all repos under the path /home/john/corp/ will use that config. Then you can put a new host in your SSH config: Host github.com-corp HostName github.com Us…

Thank you. The `host` field always has to have the format `word.word`? Or it can be just `word` without any dot in the middle?

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by dylan604 »

mattigames wrote: post #206
dylan604 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just not a good outlook. Class traitor is ridiculous. If someone is of marrying age and/or child rearing age, are they a traitor to their class because they choose to work instead of whatever your preconceived notions are? People are different and have different work/life conditions than you. You're just going to need to come to terms with this.

The key term in their comment is "unpaid overtime", that's the part that makes them a traitor to their class.

if they want to work because they have no life, that's fine and really none of your business. if you work for a company where working off the clock like this is accepted, then it should be taken as a red flag.

when employees are on the clock, there are protections established for both employee and employer. if someone is injured while on the clock, workers comp is at play as well as corp insurance. if someone is working off the clock and injury occurs, shit storms are coming. if you were clocked out and working because company expects it, you can sue them. if you were doing it on your own to be "a good employee", you can get the blame.

in terms of coders, say you're off the clock and you accidentally truncate a table while connected to production when you thought you were in dev. if you're off the clock, you can actually be accused of "hacking" and doing a malicious act by the corp. if you were on the clock, then they would have a harder time with those accusations.

on the other end, i've worked for companies that were very good on the on clock/off clock recognition. if you were on a paid vacation and the company needed you to answer a call or respond to email, they would credit you that vacation day back even if it only took 5 mins. i miss that company. best work/life balance company i every worked.

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Post by beambot »

dheera wrote: post #181
Manuel_D wrote: post #18

This would be a serious breach of privacy if true. But reading the tweets I'm not sure what the policy really is: > During a discovery thing 3yr ago, legal forced me to hand-over all my texts. They refused to let me delete anything, even "fully personal," even when I said "by fully personal I mean nudes." They said they're in their "permanent evidence locker This doesn't sound like company policy, and more like they…

> legal forced me to hand-over all my texts Who is "legal"? Corporate legal? They no right to your personal phone. Even if they were subpoenaed, they could only ask you to hand over data on corporate devices, not your personal one. The only people who can get your personal device are a search warrant from a court.

Most of these companies offer a BYOD option where you explicitly agree to co-mingle work & personal use of your phone -- upto & including paying your cellular bills. This frequently means signing waivers permitting surveillance, installing corporate applications, surrendering the phone upon termination, and placing everything on the device at risk of subpoena.

When the company is subpoenaed, they aren't going to give you the chance to delete data from "evidence". This is probably what happened here.

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Post by azinman2 »

kylec wrote: post #2

Yeah, it's really weird that the @apple.com email you get when you start isn't usable as an Apple ID. I didn't want to sign into my personal account on my work computer for a BUNCH of reasons (privacy being one, but beta software messing with my data was another) so I created a new free iCloud account. But it struck me as VERY odd that Apple would want their employees minging their work and personal data on their per…

It’s far easier to blend. Otherwise you’re carrying multiple devices. To each their own, but you’re going to have a hard time debugging anything or living on your own new features if there’s zero personal real data in use.

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Post by btmiller »

phantasilide wrote: post #157

Here’s my take as someone who worked there in the last two years. 1. You absolutely have the choice to make a separate iCloud account for work, you just can’t make it with an @apple.com email. 2. It’s true that you should not wipe your device when you quit. 3. We were instructed to avoid using iCloud for anything work related. They recommended turning everything iCloud related off on your work computer except for Fin…

Yeah the Twitter OP is wayyyy off base here. No one compels employees to merge accounts???? What the hell is this story even. This feels like someone with an axe to grind, and external readers are none-the-wiser to reality internally at Apple.

(Obviously thoughts are my own, I do not speak for the company)

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Post by merrywhether »

xenophonf wrote: post #175
Cd00d wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…

> I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. You can spend as much time on work as you want, but you only get so much time with your children. OP's point is that you should guard the time you have and spend it wisely. Personally, I find carrying a second device and keeping things separate part of maintaining a healthy balance between my work and my pers…

Part of the thought process is that he wouldn’t be at the playground with his kids in the middle of the day at all if it made him completely unavailable to respond to stuff. Similarly, I go surfing some mornings and respond to people on my watch to keep them unblocked while I’m having some fun at a time strict 9-5 wouldn’t allow.

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Post by azinman2 »

hanniabu wrote: post #91
amiga1200 wrote: post #4

I’m slowly getting the impression that either there’s been a policy change at Apple in terms of customer privacy, or some other government pressure that’s causing all of these seemingly anti-privacy decisions to be made. I’m considering moving away from the Apple eco-system, any recommendations? I’m equally distrustful of Android (specifically Google). I feel like my only option is to compile and deploy my own versio…

> I’m slowly getting the impression that either there’s been a policy change at Apple in terms of customer privacy More likely that they never were for privacy and injury used it as a marketing ploy, putting on the mirage of being pro-privacy.

I work for Apple. It’s not just marketing. It’s in every discussion in every feature. Even the current CSAM implementation is actually all about privacy if you read the details on how it’s implemented.

The real question and concern is what happens once laws start getting passed that run counter to this. And that then won’t be just Apple’s problem at that point.

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Post by 3np »

renerthr wrote: post #223
3np wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So one thing you can do is put the following in your ~/.gitconfig: [includeIf "gitdir:/home/john/corp/**"] path = .gitconfig-corp And then ~/.gitconfig-corp: [user] email = john@example.com name = John Doe [url "git@github.com-corp"] insteadOf = git@github.com Now all repos under the path /home/john/corp/ will use that config. Then you can put a new host in your SSH config: Host github.com-corp HostName github.com Us…

Thank you. The `host` field always has to have the format `word.word`? Or it can be just `word` without any dot in the middle?

You can call it anything you want save of whitespace (albeit I personally haven't tried emoji or other non-ASCII shenanigans :))
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