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Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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For years Thunderbird has been poorly maintained and releases were skipped. This release is to align Thunderbird version with Firefox version... but I don't know why.

Afaik they only rebase on Firefox ESR, not Firefox stable.

makes sense

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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> Thunderbird now operates in multi-process (e10s) mode by default What does e10s mean here? UPDATE: I've found an explanation[1]: > In Mozilla documentation "Electrolysis" is often shorted as "e10s". What a silly scheme. [1]: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis >

What benefits are there with e10s in a mail client?

I work on Gecko, so I have a bit of context here:

A big reason is probably because Gecko no longer officially supports single-process mode.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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I really like Thunderbird and I use it as my primary personal email client. Just, where can I pay to speed up the development of this feature? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213945 I find a proper 3 pane view to be essential in 2021

I completely agree. This is what I check every time there’s news about Thunderbird before I consider switching.

What are you using currently? I am limping along with Thunderbird myself but really miss three-pane view.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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I really want to like Thunderbird, but... I can't do it. Mess of a UI, no clear way to do plain-text emails, and often won't open attachment sent from (enterprise) Outlook.

useplaintext.email has instructions on using Thunderbird in plaintext mode: https://useplaintext.email/#thunderbird

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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I wonder if this is moving away from master/slave terminology similar to e.g. https://www.vice.com/en/article/8x7akv/masterslave-terminolo...

It would be quite ironic if, after all those changes, the words “primary” and “secondary” would simply become the synonyms of “master” and “slave”. And it wouldn’t be even that improbable, in my opinion at least. In the end, in many languages the word “figuratively” was so overused as a stand in for “literally”, that it became it informal synonym (I know for sure that it is a thing in both English and Polish, but it…

> It would be quite ironic if, after all those changes, the words “primary” and “secondary” would simply become the synonyms of “master” and “slave”.

As in, to describe actual human slavery?

Most English-speaking countries don't have actual human slavery any more (or at least, they don't use the words master and slave to describe it.) So when using the words master and slave to refer to actual slavery, it's usually in a historical sense, and it seems unlikely that we'd change the words we use to refer to something in the past.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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yes words have meaning and the present change is wrong because it fails to understand the actual meaning of master.

Different people can interpret words differently. Replacing 'master' is a very low cost change which, IMO, can improve understanding of what is described. (Like main or root branch or vault password.) So why cling to a word that has so much cultural baggage when it doesn't even work that well in Thunderbird?

  > So why cling to a word that has so much cultural baggage
  > when it doesn't even work that well in Thunderbird?
What cultural baggage does the word "master" have? And before you throw around the word "slavery" my grandfather, who passed only 14 years ago, was a slave. I have no qualms with the word "master".

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Many countries were built with the labour of slaves. I'm a slav, from a slavic country, and the words "slav" and "slave" are not just coincintally similar. We were also a communist country, and the definition of 3rd world (and technically leaders of the 3rd world/nonaligned at the time). Somehow we have no issues with master/slave. Most people (except failed students and former party members) know communism was a rea…

I'd argue that we still carry scars from the Ottoman rule, even though it ended 2 centuries ago. There are living people in USA who were around for the segregation.

My grandfather, who passed only 14 years ago, was a slave. I have not qualms with the word "master".

Are there any documented cases of the word "master" offending anybody?

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Sure, countries change their names all the time. North Macedonia and Eswatini in the last three years, for example.

They changed their name for non futile reasons. And contextually, 'slave' comes from 'Slav', not the opposite: you meet a Pispathian, you decide that a "pisp" (which incidentally in local language with a good chance means "valiant" or similar) is a reifiable one of a reifiable people, and after the insult they should also change their name?!

Of course not.

> some Slavic countries might request their naming and history be changed to something delinked from slavery... Shall we rename Slovenia and Slovakia, too?

If they want to rename themselves, we should use their new names.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

Is that really all you got from the massive list of changes? Disappointing.

No, just a few minutes before that post I posted about a feature that I was happy to see. This was the second item on the massive list of changes that drew my attention.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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I really like Thunderbird and I use it as my primary personal email client. Just, where can I pay to speed up the development of this feature? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213945 I find a proper 3 pane view to be essential in 2021

Dumb question, but could you find an open source contributor who knows the codebase and commission them to implement it?
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