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Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by jollybean »

Sebguer wrote: post #44
Normille wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's Virtue Signalling and beyond pathetic

What's pathetic is thinking that trying to use inclusive language is pathetic.

The disagreement is not over 'inclusivity' - it's over whether a specific word has anything to do with it.

The #1 failure of social justice activist movements worldwide is to suggest that people who don't agree with a particular policy must somehow be racist/sexist.

It's the giant bit of gaslighting that discredits the movement, and frankly, in some cases, reveals 'truer intentions'.

The assumption that arbitrary words must have anything to do with reality, interpretation, applied nuance or discrimination is problematic to say the least.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by yakubin »

> Thunderbird now operates in multi-process (e10s) mode by default

What does e10s mean here?

UPDATE: I've found an explanation[1]:

> In Mozilla documentation "Electrolysis" is often shorted as "e10s".

What a silly scheme.

[1]: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis>

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by gnu8 »

endofreach wrote: post #159
Geezus_42 wrote: post #146

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My company made the change from blacklist/whitelist to blocklist/allow list over two years ago and people, mostly external, still get annoyed and I just can't understand why. The former is literally one letter different and the latter makes just as much, arguably more, sense than the term it replaced. I get that some people see it as just posturing but you have to start somewhere if you are going to change the cultur…

I mean honestly, this is typical US stuff. As a european I have never associated blacklist, whitelist or master with any discrimination. Why instead of changing tech wording affecting every dev worldwide who does not care about american pseudo social justice, just do not call dark er skin „black“ and brighter skin „white“? I mean still more people are afraid in the absence of light, hence the dark, than otherwise. An…

I’m glad you don’t have these problems in your European utopia. We still have a lot to work on here - there are race riots every year. Part of our legacy as a very young country that was built with the labor of imported black slaves.

Other connotations of the word blacklist include the blacklisting of labor activists and of accused communists during our multiple bouts of anti communist hysteria. The word is charged with ugly meanings and there’s no reason to throw it around casually in a software project.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by hosteur »

neogodless wrote: post #160
hosteur wrote: post #140

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I am saying that because the Linux version of Thunderbird 91 does not seem to be available. If I go to the download page and download the Linux version, I end up with a Thunderbird 78 tarball. Not the 91 one.

The home page and that download directory are not yet updated to version 91 (for any operating system). See version 91 specific downloads for everyone: https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/thunderbird/r...

Thanks!

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by hosteur »

yakubin wrote: post #182

> Thunderbird now operates in multi-process (e10s) mode by default What does e10s mean here? UPDATE: I've found an explanation[1]: > In Mozilla documentation "Electrolysis" is often shorted as "e10s". What a silly scheme. [1]: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis >

What benefits are there with e10s in a mail client?

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by skytreader »

el_oni wrote: post #86
mdp2021 wrote: post #69

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'Master' is not counterpart to 'slave', it is counterpart to 'inferior'. 'Master' is "greater" (ex ' magis '), vs "lesser". The most resounding example is fitting: «Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas». It is an ___extreme___ problem if somebody now thought [I change the tense out of refusal] that the term 'master' should not be used, especially if the perverse excuse were that someone used it in a way that makes s…

while this might be true, the fact that there are master-slave analogies elsewhere makes other uses of master in CS suspect. if the analogy had been "master-apprentice" instead there probably wouldnt be as much pushback everywhere else. while this particular instance might be an over correction, i think the overall trend has been a move in the right direction

> if the analogy had been "master-apprentice" instead there probably wouldnt be as much pushback everywhere else

Except, you know, apprentices eventually become masters themselves. And the space isn't zero-sum; "Master Verrochio taught Master Leonardo" is semantically valid. It doesn't illustrate the semantics of, say, data replication where there is only one master at a time and the slaves are not supposed to be promoted. "Master-slave" captures the relationship succinctly.

True, it hearkens back to a dark time in US history but if that is the only criteria for censoring usage of this term, are we not also censoring discussions about this period? I agree with the sentiment to be ashamed of it but to the point where you can't even derive metaphors from it? Reeks of cowardly denial.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by flamble »

mdp2021 wrote: post #91
robert_foss wrote: post #28

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I think language matters, and de-normalizing language with a root in slavery is a good idea.

The world often divides in two. Surely, relevantly, -- those who think that language is what median people use and that naive use has a right to be accepted and create rules, seeing language as a social matter, and -- those who think that language is what the learned have built out of competence and reflection, calling language an entity rightfully separate from societies. For both parties «language matters». But the…

The notion that language is "what the learned have built out of competence and reflection" is abjectly risible. The evolution of language consists of corruption, confusion, coinages of demotic provenance, and general chaos. The contributions of learned classicists to the modern language are subject to exactly the same inexorable flux.

There is no party that refuses to accept "bastard" semantics; in no language does there exist a fraction of a syllable of legitimate descent. The only recourse open to the pedant and misanthrope is to forgo the use of language altogether, which would in your case constitute a marked improvement in the discourse.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by fluidcruft »

BoxOfRain wrote: post #121
dotancohen wrote: post #26

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

This kind of corporate "we need to be seen to be doing something rather than nothing" stuff does wind me up, it just makes people more annoyed (by breaking scripts and causing unnecessary UI changes etc) and less receptive to actual arguments for social change while at the same time producing no practical increase in social justice. It's just inauthentic tokenism designed to keep the baying beast that is Twitter away…

It could also have been that an end user filed a bug report or feature request and made a convincing case. Then someone just reads over the commit logs to write the version announcement. It does just seem to be an outgrowth of the whole "master" branch thing in git and low-hanging fruit for a contributor to tackle. Overall who cares, really. "Primary password" is better than "Main password" IMHO.

I'm also not sure "Master password", "Primary password" or "Main password" are particularly intuitive. Probably better to name the resource like "Thunderbird account database password". Or just prompt to "Unlock password database".

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