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Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by kurthr »

krona wrote: post #35
hellomyguys wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be worse. It could have gone from a 99.9% to 99.1% in preventing hospitalization. That would be an 9x higher chance of hospitalization!

That's the difference between extended lockdown periods and normality in many countries.

I think you're confusing population wide death rates with post infection hospitalization rates. There's about 10x between death and hospitalization and there is about a 3-10x difference between population vs infection (for many countries 10-33% is a reasonable range of infection... except for China/Taiwan/Korea which are in the <1% range).

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by refurb »

Justsignedup wrote: post #15
rossdavidh wrote: post #13

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Isn't this exactly what we would expect? It's more or less similar to what probably happened with the flu in 1920. New flu variants were still popping up, but they weren't like the 1918-1919 type, and the mortality rate was much lower. Plus, I recall being told before the vaccines showed up that they would be better at reducing mortality than at eliminating getting sick at all. Now, if you thought you were going to j…

Ironically in NZ they have nether vaccine nor any remaining covid. Because they solved it as a community. Instead we created a global persistent pandemic. Cool.

Well NZ can enjoy their isolation and constant threat of outbreak while the rest of the world goes back to normal.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by deregulateMed »

iNane9000 wrote: post #80
deregulateMed wrote: post #64

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Wear an n95 mask. The lockdowns didn't work. N95 masks do work. The overreaction was anti science from statistics to actual implementation.

Only properly fitted n95 masks, which require professional training to use properly.

I don't disagree. If we spent 4 trillion dollars on n95 masks and training, we'd have 1% more people alive and saved money.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by refurb »

datameta wrote: post #32
School-Cotton wrote: post #19

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Unlike New Zealand, most countries don’t think indefinite draconian restrictions on travel and ever-present risk of being locked down with little notice are an acceptable price to pay for a small increase in life expectancy. I share that viewpoint, and am very happy not to live in New Zealand.

Except there would be no need for an ever present risk of lockdown if every single country simply locked down for 3-4 weeks a year and a half ago. But no, muh freedomᵀᴹ and the economy!! are far more important considerations that certainly didn't turn out to actually be incredibly short-sighted. I'm lucky to live in a place with >70% vaccination rate. So this no longer comes from a place of grievance toward personal…

The very fact you’re suggesting every country locks down for 3-4 weeks” as a solution shows youre ignoring reality.

All it would take is for 1 person to travel for the epidemic to continue. Maybe developed nations could do it but developing nations are still dealing with illegal border crossers even 1 year into the epidemic.

So great theory but it falls flat in reality.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by [deleted] »

ho_schi wrote: post #76

Probably we shall take into account, that journalist like to spread bad news! Looking back at the previous variants, the vaccines keep working. This is good news! What will bring is into trouble are non vaccinated people which build a big resource pool for Covid-19 to become more aggressive. Lockdowns, removal of rights or masks cannot eliminate Covid-19 (so called short term workarounds) but the vaccines can make it…

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Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by TheGigaChad »

Justsignedup wrote: post #15
rossdavidh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this exactly what we would expect? It's more or less similar to what probably happened with the flu in 1920. New flu variants were still popping up, but they weren't like the 1918-1919 type, and the mortality rate was much lower. Plus, I recall being told before the vaccines showed up that they would be better at reducing mortality than at eliminating getting sick at all. Now, if you thought you were going to j…

Ironically in NZ they have nether vaccine nor any remaining covid. Because they solved it as a community. Instead we created a global persistent pandemic. Cool.

Idiot soyboy cuckdowncel detected.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by bamboozled »

ho_schi wrote: post #76

Probably we shall take into account, that journalist like to spread bad news! Looking back at the previous variants, the vaccines keep working. This is good news! What will bring is into trouble are non vaccinated people which build a big resource pool for Covid-19 to become more aggressive. Lockdowns, removal of rights or masks cannot eliminate Covid-19 (so called short term workarounds) but the vaccines can make it…

> What will bring is into trouble are non vaccinated people which build a big resource pool for Covid-19 to become more aggressive.

I've heard a different story from an interview with Robert Malone, the creator of mRNA vaccines [1]

[1] https://www.bitchute.com/video/ukx8L3lh5CA7/

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by trackerme »

toyg wrote: post #40
mmcconnell1618 wrote: post #20

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Bill Gates had this book on his reading list one year and I found it helpful to provide a different perspective (data based) on how things are improving in the world. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RGR16DL/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?... Remember that most media is built on the idea of capturing attention and it is easier to capture attention with stories of fear and disaster than it is with positive stories. 3 local acts o…

I don't disagree with that view, but it's really hard to find positives from the rise of Covid. Everyday life was effectively mutilated for more than a year, we might have to coexist forever with an infectious disease that can debilitate us even after getting "vaccinated", and most of the Western ruling classes were revealed as incompetent buffoons just "winging it" from day to day. On the other hand, we can now miti…

Sars-cov-2 is an easy virus.

We still can't create a vaccine against HIV (but we have some ideas).

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by Doctor_Fegg »

deregulateMed wrote: post #41
cfcf14 wrote: post #2

I'm so exhausted and demoralised by this endless cascade of things-getting-worse. It's taking a really big toll on my mental health and there's no resources available in my country to offer support (and there's nothing to be done except try to learn to live with it, anyways). The future looks bleak.

If you don't know statistics, it's time to learn. Coronavirus was never a big deal unless you were old, sick, or obese. Even with these demographics, it had a 1% death rate, the same order of magnitude as various viral illnesses. We really should have not blown this out of proportion. I think when people realized we could work from home, people faked fear to enjoy a mini vacation. Media loves fear. Politicians wanted…

> Do we spend trillions of dollars a year on safer cars? No, but apparently if we use statistics we should.

Yes, we probably do, if you consider the cumulative cost of better engineering and safety technology on all the cars sold and serviced in a year, plus highway construction standards.

And that's before considering that personal car transport is probably _inherently_ dangerous, and most cities are trying to move to a higher percentage of walking and cycling.

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