The critical info we are still missing: Effectiveness against long Covid.
Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
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Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#12Buried the lede: > At the same time, protection against hospitalization and serious illness remained strong. I.e., Delta is more likely to get you sick, but you’ll still turn out fine.
Remained how "strong"?
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#13Buried the lede: > At the same time, protection against hospitalization and serious illness remained strong. I.e., Delta is more likely to get you sick, but you’ll still turn out fine.
Isn't this exactly what we would expect? It's more or less similar to what probably happened with the flu in 1920. New flu variants were still popping up, but they weren't like the 1918-1919 type, and the mortality rate was much lower. Plus, I recall being told before the vaccines showed up that they would be better at reducing mortality than at eliminating getting sick at all.
Now, if you thought you were going to just stay in hiding and neither get vaccinated nor get sick, and just wait it out, well that's not going to work (and was never a good strategy). Covid-19 is the new flu, it will always be in circulation, but just get vaccinated and get on with life.
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#14I'm so exhausted and demoralised by this endless cascade of things-getting-worse. It's taking a really big toll on my mental health and there's no resources available in my country to offer support (and there's nothing to be done except try to learn to live with it, anyways). The future looks bleak.
Hey, we have a vaccine at least. If you feel like this make use of the fact that you cannot do much by yourself to change the situation. Sit down, avoid the news and let the world do whatever :)
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#15Buried the lede: > At the same time, protection against hospitalization and serious illness remained strong. I.e., Delta is more likely to get you sick, but you’ll still turn out fine.
Isn't this exactly what we would expect? It's more or less similar to what probably happened with the flu in 1920. New flu variants were still popping up, but they weren't like the 1918-1919 type, and the mortality rate was much lower. Plus, I recall being told before the vaccines showed up that they would be better at reducing mortality than at eliminating getting sick at all. Now, if you thought you were going to j…
Ironically in NZ they have nether vaccine nor any remaining covid. Because they solved it as a community.
Instead we created a global persistent pandemic.
Cool.
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#16The headline seems misleading. Isn’t the reduction possibly caused as much by easing of restrictions as by the Delta variant?
> Israel has recorded a steep drop in the efficacy rate of the Pfizer Inc.-BioNTech SE in preventing coronavirus infections, due to the spread of the delta variant and the easing of government restrictions.
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#17The critical info we are still missing: Effectiveness against long Covid.
As far as I know, we don’t have good statistics on the prevalence of long covid symptoms in the first place.
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#18Buried the lede: > At the same time, protection against hospitalization and serious illness remained strong. I.e., Delta is more likely to get you sick, but you’ll still turn out fine.
Isn't this exactly what we would expect? It's more or less similar to what probably happened with the flu in 1920. New flu variants were still popping up, but they weren't like the 1918-1919 type, and the mortality rate was much lower. Plus, I recall being told before the vaccines showed up that they would be better at reducing mortality than at eliminating getting sick at all. Now, if you thought you were going to j…
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Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't this exactly what we would expect? It's more or less similar to what probably happened with the flu in 1920. New flu variants were still popping up, but they weren't like the 1918-1919 type, and the mortality rate was much lower. Plus, I recall being told before the vaccines showed up that they would be better at reducing mortality than at eliminating getting sick at all. Now, if you thought you were going to j…
Ironically in NZ they have nether vaccine nor any remaining covid. Because they solved it as a community. Instead we created a global persistent pandemic. Cool.
Unlike New Zealand, most countries don’t think indefinite draconian restrictions on travel and ever-present risk of being locked down with little notice are an acceptable price to pay for a small increase in life expectancy. I share that viewpoint, and am very happy not to live in New Zealand.
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#20I'm so exhausted and demoralised by this endless cascade of things-getting-worse. It's taking a really big toll on my mental health and there's no resources available in my country to offer support (and there's nothing to be done except try to learn to live with it, anyways). The future looks bleak.
Bill Gates had this book on his reading list one year and I found it helpful to provide a different perspective (data based) on how things are improving in the world. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RGR16DL/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?...
Remember that most media is built on the idea of capturing attention and it is easier to capture attention with stories of fear and disaster than it is with positive stories. 3 local acts of violence will get headlines while 300 acts of kindness will go without promotion.