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Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by Arnt »

aunty_helen wrote: post #61
Renaud wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They solved it as long as they can live without contact with anyone else. As much as it shows what could be done with drastic measures, NZ is an island with small population, in the middle of nowhere so it can easily lock its borders compared to say, pretty much any European country. They certainly handled it better, but I'm not sure that they will actually be ready to live in a COVID world any time toon without a st…

Just to be clear, Australians are barred from leaving the country whilst NZers are free to come and go, provided when they return they do a 14 day quarantine at their own expense. Getting a spot in the quarantine hotels is difficult but possible on a 3 month time frame. As for the tourism thing, I’ve heard that it’s actually a net positive for the country(~1.5%). Whilst we have no foreign tourists, we’re also not hea…

Are children free to play team sports?

The lack of that really hurt here.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by deregulateMed »

minikites wrote: post #66
deregulateMed wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This new mRNA tech might completely change some degenerative diseases. My kid may benefit, although given the rarity of the condition and time to approval I'm less hopeful. Hopefully we stop trusting politicians, physicians, and scientists and start trusting Science and statistics.

>This new mRNA tech might completely change some degenerative diseases. For those who can afford it. Just another example of the rapidly growing chasm between the wealthy and the poor.

In the United States the poor get Medicaid, so it's really just the Middle Class who need to afford the $8000 to hit the max out of pocket.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by [deleted] »

EForEndeavour wrote: post #62
deregulateMed wrote: post #41

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If you don't know statistics, it's time to learn. Coronavirus was never a big deal unless you were old, sick, or obese. Even with these demographics, it had a 1% death rate, the same order of magnitude as various viral illnesses. We really should have not blown this out of proportion. I think when people realized we could work from home, people faked fear to enjoy a mini vacation. Media loves fear. Politicians wanted…

This comment makes me want to bet money that you don't work in the health space and you aren't friends with a single practicing healthcare provider. > Do we spend trillions of dollars a year on safer cars? The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's annual budget exceeds $1T (EDIT: $1 billion, not trillion, thanks KptMarchewa) [1], and that's just part of government spending on highway safety -- far from…

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Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by thevagrant »

Arnt wrote: post #71
aunty_helen wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be clear, Australians are barred from leaving the country whilst NZers are free to come and go, provided when they return they do a 14 day quarantine at their own expense. Getting a spot in the quarantine hotels is difficult but possible on a 3 month time frame. As for the tourism thing, I’ve heard that it’s actually a net positive for the country(~1.5%). Whilst we have no foreign tourists, we’re also not hea…

Are children free to play team sports? The lack of that really hurt here.

In NZ? NZ currently has no community covid cases so sports continue. Daily life is largely uninterrupted aside from having less international tourists.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by neogodless »

eggy wrote: post #60

I realize the article is specifically about the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the delta variant, but even in more general articles about immunity, 'natural immunity' is left out of the conversation[1]. You can carry your COVID test paperwork and latest antibody test to show you are equally, if not better protected, however, it strangely is ignored. Or, a study by a vaccine producer (NOVAX), comes up with evidence that…

> It takes 3 to 7 years to see some negative consequences of vaccines

I tried some Google Fu but all I came up with was this:

https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-side-effects-covid-19-va...

> The history of vaccines shows that delayed effects following vaccination can occur. But when they do, these effects tend to happen within two months of vaccination

> These experiences demonstrate two important findings. First, when these events occurred, the onset was within eight weeks of receipt of the vaccine.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by ho_schi »

Probably we shall take into account, that journalist like to spread bad news! Looking back at the previous variants, the vaccines keep working. This is good news! What will bring is into trouble are non vaccinated people which build a big resource pool for Covid-19 to become more aggressive.

Lockdowns, removal of rights or masks cannot eliminate Covid-19 (so called short term workarounds) but the vaccines can make it rather safe (i.e. solution). What we need to get done is vaccinating as much people as possible, Covid-19 only mutates when it has a pool to do so. So it is stupid saying "I'm healthy and don't need to be vaccinated", you're just postpone a problem in front of you until it becomes worse - either for you, your loved ones, humankind or your rights. So two problems remain, stupid people and getting enough people vaccinated quickly - especially third world! We have to care about Asia, Africa and so on or we will lose.

We get all vaccinated as toddlers against various diseases, sometimes it enough to not care about the illness anymore, sometimes we have eliminated the disease entirely and sometimes we need to repeat the vaccination (FSME/TBE). Clearly better than dying for preventable stuff.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by Arnt »

thevagrant wrote: post #74
Arnt wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are children free to play team sports? The lack of that really hurt here.

In NZ? NZ currently has no community covid cases so sports continue. Daily life is largely uninterrupted aside from having less international tourists.

That's what I though. Considerably more freedom than many other countries, IMNSHO, including those whose leaders chose policies with emphasis on maintaining liberty.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by refurb »

0-_-0 wrote: post #24
School-Cotton wrote: post #3

Buried the lede: > At the same time, protection against hospitalization and serious illness remained strong. I.e., Delta is more likely to get you sick, but you’ll still turn out fine.

The next sentence is: From May 2 to June 5, the efficacy rate in preventing hospitalization was 98.2%, compared with 93% from June 6 to July 3 That's a 4x higher chance of hospitalisation.

That's the relative risk increase. What's the absolute risk increase?

Varies by age, but for a young person we're talking the risk going from 0.001% to 0.004%.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by School-Cotton »

aunty_helen wrote: post #69
School-Cotton wrote: post #19

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Unlike New Zealand, most countries don’t think indefinite draconian restrictions on travel and ever-present risk of being locked down with little notice are an acceptable price to pay for a small increase in life expectancy. I share that viewpoint, and am very happy not to live in New Zealand.

Describing the covid pandemic as simply a small decrease in life expectancy is a little on the nose. Also, as a vaccinated New Zealander who after spending 5 months at home is now traveling again, I can assure you people there are happy and mostly oblivious to what has gone on overseas. The travel restrictions whilst draconian, aren’t absolute and are being eased when needed. The travel bubble with Australia being a…

> Describing the covid pandemic as simply a small decrease in life expectancy is a little on the nose.

How so? The first result I could find[1] estimates that life expectancy decreased by 1.18 years in the US due to the pandemic, which doesn't strike me as extreme.

1: https://www.pnas.org/content/118/5/e2014746118

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Post by iNane9000 »

deregulateMed wrote: post #64
dewey wrote: post #47

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> I think when people realized we could work from home, people faked fear to enjoy a mini vacation. Or, you know, people who have "old, sick, or obese" people in their family and maybe don't want to get them killed?

Wear an n95 mask. The lockdowns didn't work. N95 masks do work. The overreaction was anti science from statistics to actual implementation.

Only properly fitted n95 masks, which require professional training to use properly.
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