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Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by yunohn »

zamadatix wrote: post #154
yunohn wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly speaking, I’m pretty sure most users of both Firefox and Vivaldi are using Google. But my point was more around how the minimal amount of money coming from other search engines or sponsored bookmarks can’t sustain a browser dev team.

There were a couple years recently Firefox was primarily sponsored by either Yahoo or Bing (can't remember which) and that deal supported the entire Mozilla foundation same as the Google deal as well as Firefox (which also makes their own browser back end) not just a browser front-end dev team. So there are definitely other decent sources of income besides Google for these deals and since it's a significantly more fo…

These deals are based on market share, user activity and usage, and so on. No search engine is paying Vivaldi as much money as Yahoo or Google did to Firefox. It would be laughable to expect that kind of sponsor money for a niche browser that also reduces ad tracking. That’s how these things work.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by lucideer »

yunohn wrote: post #97
lucideer wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m just finding it really hard to believe that it’s sustainable and makes them enough money to run a team… Firefox is funded the same way, and they seem to have plenty of income...

Firefox makes the vast majority of that income via their Google partnership. Vivaldi claims they do not get paid by Google.

Firefox makes the majority of that income via their Google partnership today. Recently, the majority of it was coming from Yahoo.

The browser's market share will ultimately determine the market value of the search partnership, so Vivaldi will likely have a much lower income from it than Firefox, but it's in no way limited by whether they partner with Google or with any other search provider. For a smaller more efficient team, not maintaining their own browser engine, it could easily compare in sustainability to Firefox's income stream.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by 0x49d1 »

55555 wrote: post #158
oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

I use a browser probably 12 hours per day. Maybe there's enough people willing to pay a dollar or two a month for that to be a possible business model again.

They've actually added option for donations: https://vivaldi.com/contribute/

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by awful_waffle »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #176
awful_waffle wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This honestly sounds like a great idea. At this point I'd pay money for a browser that was private, fast, and dev-friendly, simply to avoid the moral dilemma of switching from FF to a Chrome clone.

What's wrong with Firefox? It's an honest question, since as a user I really love it. Is it the 'dev-friendly', which Firefox lacks?

FF is my daily driver (since Quantum in '17) but I've found it really just isn't holding up these days:

• Profiling functions between Chrome/FF reveals that Chrome is frequently considerably faster (usually 60%+)

• During WebGL work I'll often hit blue screens around memory management (this seems to be a relatively recent development)

• Similarly, trying to profile a WebRTC application with video feeds will consistently trigger a blue screen. (I can tell this is from FF, as the browser itself flashes white a few times before the system goes down.)

• Things like the UI changing - while minor - are enough to cause inconvenience, plus the occasional random feature removal (View Image context menu option) indicates that I'm not necessarily the target audience for the browser.

I actually slightly prefer the devtools in FF than Chrome, but there are a number of quirks that have started appearing over the past year or so, ranging from actual bugs to just weird UX.

As I write this, I'm realizing I'd love a browser that's seen more as a devtool than a catch-all web navigator which happens to have a profiler built in.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by jamespo »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #176
awful_waffle wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This honestly sounds like a great idea. At this point I'd pay money for a browser that was private, fast, and dev-friendly, simply to avoid the moral dilemma of switching from FF to a Chrome clone.

What's wrong with Firefox? It's an honest question, since as a user I really love it. Is it the 'dev-friendly', which Firefox lacks?

There are salty power users of the old insecure XUL based plugins who can't let their deprecation go.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by jamespo »

lkozma wrote: post #177
CaptainZapp wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with Firefox? It's an honest question, since as a user I really love it. Is it the 'dev-friendly', which Firefox lacks?

One small thing in the latest redesign: if you have two tabs, one active, one not, the visual cues suggest exactly the opposite. The active one seems like a clickable button, the inactive one seems pushed down and not clickable. After misclicking hundreds of times, I still couldn't train myself to go against my perception and follow the designer's "bold vision", using it feels like writing with my left hand or steeri…

Might want to check https://color.firefox.com

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by 0x49d1 »

Using Vivaldi as my main browser for several months now. There are some problems with Google Docs, but other then that almost everything is fine. I really like company's attitude to its users, various researchers agree that they really don't leak what they say they don't. Firefox is superb too, but mobile browser experience is not there yet (I mean the new Android browser). Brave is another option, but I feel that Vivaldi is way more under my control and made "for me", even considering that Brave is open sourced.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by apocolyps6 »

I really want to like Vivaldi. It's the only browser (afaik) that supports tabs on the side. Right now I use "Tree Style Tabs" on Firefox with some custom CSS to get rid of the original tab bar.

Unfortunately I get a massive delay when fullscreening youtube videos in Vivaldi. The video first maximizes to the left half of my screen, and only then expands to the whole thing. Sadly a dealbreaker. FWIW its a little faster if I have the browser already maximized.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by kordlessagain »

55555 wrote: post #158
oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

I use a browser probably 12 hours per day. Maybe there's enough people willing to pay a dollar or two a month for that to be a possible business model again.

If it had a decent search agent in it, without ads, I'd pay for it.

Because, let's be honest, advertising sucks and anyone that thinks advertising and search belong together sucks even more.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by keithnz »

apocolyps6 wrote: post #188

I really want to like Vivaldi. It's the only browser (afaik) that supports tabs on the side. Right now I use "Tree Style Tabs" on Firefox with some custom CSS to get rid of the original tab bar. Unfortunately I get a massive delay when fullscreening youtube videos in Vivaldi. The video first maximizes to the left half of my screen, and only then expands to the whole thing. Sadly a dealbreaker. FWIW its a little faste…

edge supports vertical tabs
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