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Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by grishka »

dagurp wrote: post #147
grishka wrote: post #94

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I found a bug that slowed it down a great deal. It was the fact that they put multiple `filter` styles onto the tabs, even when those filters did nothing useful. It was still extremely taxing on the GPU driver. But, since you can customize the UI with your own CSS (there's a hidden setting you need to enable first, in vivaldi://experiments), I put a simple `* {filter: none !important}` in there. After I did, it felt…

Where did you report it? I'd like to take a look.

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Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by acheron »

thanatos519 wrote: post #24
whikhngbu359 wrote: post #15

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I believe Opera was the first browsers to introduce tabs.

I'm pretty sure Galeon had tabs before Opera, but maybe something had tabs before Galeon.

And in a HN thread a couple weeks ago someone posted about how “everyone” switched to Chrome because it invented tabs, if you want to know what today’s web developers think.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by pbsb »

oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

Kind of off topic, but what do you mean by chrome-ification of the web?

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by zamadatix »

yunohn wrote: post #117
kingofclams wrote: post #115

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I’m not sure, but I have a feeling the majority of Vivaldi users wouldn’t be using google

Frankly speaking, I’m pretty sure most users of both Firefox and Vivaldi are using Google. But my point was more around how the minimal amount of money coming from other search engines or sponsored bookmarks can’t sustain a browser dev team.

There were a couple years recently Firefox was primarily sponsored by either Yahoo or Bing (can't remember which) and that deal supported the entire Mozilla foundation same as the Google deal as well as Firefox (which also makes their own browser back end) not just a browser front-end dev team.

So there are definitely other decent sources of income besides Google for these deals and since it's a significantly more focused organization it doesn't seem implausible to me.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by grishka »

silentbugs wrote: post #150
grishka wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found a bug that slowed it down a great deal. It was the fact that they put multiple `filter` styles onto the tabs, even when those filters did nothing useful. It was still extremely taxing on the GPU driver. But, since you can customize the UI with your own CSS (there's a hidden setting you need to enable first, in vivaldi://experiments), I put a simple `* {filter: none !important}` in there. After I did, it felt…

Which part exactly is being slowed down by these filters? Could you post a link to the bug report if it's public?

I'm not sure about the internals, but when those filters are there, the GPU process causes a lot of CPU load on every frame. So much that it often hits 100% of the single core it uses before it's able to draw at 60 fps. Oh and it redraws the tab bar a lot. It redraws it every time you scroll a page, and it continuously redraws it when there's a tab playing audio in order to animate those waves emanating from the speaker icon. Yes, it redraws the entire tab bar for a 16x16 animated icon.

They unfortunately don't have a public bug tracker.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by taylodl »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #130
oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

Just to clarify in case someone's wondering, a browser named Opera still exists and gets updated now, but neither the people behind it nor the underlying technology are the same as in the old Opera this post is referring to. As an old-time classic Opera user since version 5 or so, I do use the current Opera because I find it somewhat better than Chrome (it has more built-in stuff, including mouse gestures, Whatsapp/T…

As someone who now uses Vivaldi as their daily driver I can vouch that it's a bit slow, especially on older hardware. Obviously it's not intolerable, but it would be nice to see some improvements in that area.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by timothevs »

grishka wrote: post #120
IlliOnato wrote: post #113

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Can you give more details? I can see how to enable custom CSS, but where I go from there? Where to put the custom CSS?

Settings -> Appearance. There will be a section to choose a folder with your custom css files.

I may be obtuse, but I am not seeing that on Vivaldi 4.0 on the Mac?

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by 55555 »

oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

I use a browser probably 12 hours per day. Maybe there's enough people willing to pay a dollar or two a month for that to be a possible business model again.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by grishka »

timothevs wrote: post #157
grishka wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Settings -> Appearance. There will be a section to choose a folder with your custom css files.

I may be obtuse, but I am not seeing that on Vivaldi 4.0 on the Mac?

https://i.imgur.com/21ueqSf.png in the lower part of the window (I'm too lazy to switch the language sorry).

You need to restart it for the checkbox to take effect.

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