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Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by salmo »

alpaca128 wrote: post #73
hulitu wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also Vivaldi is faster.

I find this statement a bit puzzling. Vivaldi is the slowest browser I've tried in recent years. The couple times I used it I always went back to Firefox after a few weeks because I couldn't stand the sluggish UI anymore. Maybe it improved by now, but I find it hard to believe it's now supposed to be faster after Firefox' massive performance updates.

It’s weird how this cycles. Firebird/Firefox was originally an amazingly light browser (discounting some niche Linux ones that embedded Gecko).

Then it got huge, and Chrome was amazing. And it seemed impossible for FF to be able to work out the technical debt.

Now Chrome often makes the fan kick in on my MBP and Firefox is lighter again in CPU and memory.

I think Safari is probably best in this regard on this machine, but I just don’t enjoy using it. Not sure why. Maybe I’m old and it’s just change.

Sadly, I did hit my first work website that only worked in Chrome this week. No FF, no Safari.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by amitport »

kitd wrote: post #86

I use Vivaldi regularly for one reason: my company has disabled access to the developer tools on Chrome and FF. With Vivaldi (being Chromium) I have full access again! Just don't tell them I told you ...

what was the company's reasoning to disable access to the developer tools on Chrome and FF? why?

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by ckotso »

I've been using Vivaldi as my main/work browser for the last ~1 year. Tab tiling and tab groups have been absolute game changers for my workflow and curbed my objections departing from the firefox camp.

It used to feel quite slow with too many open tabs when I started using it, and would improve by hibernating them every now and then (which is built-in functionality). It seems to have improved significantly with recent releases, haven't had to hibernate tabs for quite some time now.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by grishka »

rplnt wrote: post #16

I really tried to like Vivaldi, and it could be a good browser, but is so unbearably slow. The whole UI is unresponsive. Opening a new tab can take almost a second. Price for javascript apps I guess. edit for clarification: This was on OSX, on Windows it was OK. Used it for almost a year as a secondary browser, no change, gave up.

I found a bug that slowed it down a great deal. It was the fact that they put multiple `filter` styles onto the tabs, even when those filters did nothing useful. It was still extremely taxing on the GPU driver.

But, since you can customize the UI with your own CSS (there's a hidden setting you need to enable first, in vivaldi://experiments), I put a simple `* {filter: none !important}` in there. After I did, it felt as if I bought a new computer.

The fun part? They still haven't acknowledged it. Even after I gave them the exact steps to fix it.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by tannhaeuser »

AFAIK Vivaldi is Webkit/Blink based so it'd be interesting to read a reflection on why the original Vivaldi code base was abandoned, if its abandoning was regretted, and on the state of the Web as a sustainable media format in general.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by eloisant »

grishka wrote: post #66
oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

> Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. Oh, it's definitely recreating the experience of Opera. You encounter an annoying bug, you report it to their private bug tracker, and then they'll fix it in two years. Maybe. If you're lucky. And you don't get to know its status in the meantime. And the macOS version still feels like an afterthought sometimes. S…

That's because Opera (and now Vivalvi) cares more about building as many features as possible than stability or even consistency of the experience.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by yunohn »

lucideer wrote: post #88
yunohn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They spoke about this business model in the release post too. I’m just finding it really hard to believe that it’s sustainable and makes them enough money to run a team…

> I’m just finding it really hard to believe that it’s sustainable and makes them enough money to run a team… Firefox is funded the same way, and they seem to have plenty of income...

Firefox makes the vast majority of that income via their Google partnership. Vivaldi claims they do not get paid by Google.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by grishka »

lucideer wrote: post #85
grishka wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. Oh, it's definitely recreating the experience of Opera. You encounter an annoying bug, you report it to their private bug tracker, and then they'll fix it in two years. Maybe. If you're lucky. And you don't get to know its status in the meantime. And the macOS version still feels like an afterthought sometimes. S…

> they'll fix it in two years Seems pretty quick, at least compared to Chromium / Firefox ;) > you don't get to know its status in the meantime Toward the end of Opera's life (pre v15) either an employee or a member of the community (can't remember which) did actually set up a public bug tracker tracking the status of publicly-reported bugs. It didn't show comments or anything like that: just the original bug descrip…

Yeah you can still ask people who have access to look up the status of a bug for you[1]. It just feels so needlessly convoluted. Since they're already using Jira, it shouldn't be too hard to set it up with proper access controls so you could see your own tickets, at least. They must have some reason to not do this.

[1] https://habr.com/ru/company/vivaldi/blog/561834/#comment_231... (in Russian)

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by kjakm »

ACS_Solver wrote: post #47

I want to offer Vivaldi some praise, I switched to it as my main browser a few years ago, and it's been great. I had to look for a new browser when Firefox (that I had used since the Firebird days) kept breaking my settings and plugins with their updates. After yet another Firefox update I wasn't able to restore the browser to how I want it to be, so I tried Vivaldi. I'm not even a big fan of the original Opera, but…

I hadn't even thought of tab tiling as a feature I might need until now. Just took a look and seems incredibly useful!
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