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Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by slightwinder »

whikhngbu359 wrote: post #15
oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

I believe Opera was the first browsers to introduce tabs.

No, it was not. That's a popular myth, but it's wrong. There were other browser with Tabs before opera event tried them. And Operas first attempts wasn't really Tabs in the modern sense. It was just a poor working button-bar for an MDI, which was a bit cumbersome to use. They fixed it two versions later, around the time when the feature gained attention in other browsers and even Mozilla Suit got it's first Extension that became so insanly popular that it was build into Phoenix (later renamend to Firebird, then Firefox) out of the box.

Though, Opera tried many things in that area. There never really lost the MDI-Spirit and went with different approached than most other TDI-Implementations. Made it more useful for some, more complicated for others. So for certain specific functions they probablly were the first ones.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by oblio »

pbsb wrote: post #153
oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

Kind of off topic, but what do you mean by chrome-ification of the web?

Chrome is taking over the web and a ton of features start/are only in Chrome. Youtube had a "bug" which made it 2x slower in Firefox, for example.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by oblio »

metalliqaz wrote: post #109
oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

What do you mean "on top of web techs"? Aren't all browsers web techs...??

The Opera UI was built using Qt widgets. So native, C++ code. The Vivaldi UI is built using React, I think.

Native UIs are much faster than web UIs, for example.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by awful_waffle »

55555 wrote: post #158
oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

I use a browser probably 12 hours per day. Maybe there's enough people willing to pay a dollar or two a month for that to be a possible business model again.

This honestly sounds like a great idea. At this point I'd pay money for a browser that was private, fast, and dev-friendly, simply to avoid the moral dilemma of switching from FF to a Chrome clone.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by slightwinder »

chucky wrote: post #40
thanatos519 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure Galeon had tabs before Opera, but maybe something had tabs before Galeon.

According to Wikipedia, Netcaptor was the very first browser to have tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_(interface)#History However, Opera supported an MDI interface before it supported tabs, and if you count that it may have supported multiple browser windows within one MDI window even earlier, which could be said to be a form of tabs. Everything depends on how you define "tabs", as usual.

I thin kyou misread that. Wikipedia says InternetWorks was the first browser with Tabbed Interface, released 1994.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by todd3834 »

awful_waffle wrote: post #164
55555 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use a browser probably 12 hours per day. Maybe there's enough people willing to pay a dollar or two a month for that to be a possible business model again.

This honestly sounds like a great idea. At this point I'd pay money for a browser that was private, fast, and dev-friendly, simply to avoid the moral dilemma of switching from FF to a Chrome clone.

Is Safari an option for you? (Mac?)

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by toyg »

salmo wrote: post #91
alpaca128 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this statement a bit puzzling. Vivaldi is the slowest browser I've tried in recent years. The couple times I used it I always went back to Firefox after a few weeks because I couldn't stand the sluggish UI anymore. Maybe it improved by now, but I find it hard to believe it's now supposed to be faster after Firefox' massive performance updates.

It’s weird how this cycles. Firebird/Firefox was originally an amazingly light browser (discounting some niche Linux ones that embedded Gecko). Then it got huge, and Chrome was amazing. And it seemed impossible for FF to be able to work out the technical debt. Now Chrome often makes the fan kick in on my MBP and Firefox is lighter again in CPU and memory. I think Safari is probably best in this regard on this machine…

> I think Safari is probably best in this regard on this machine, but I just don’t enjoy using it

Safari always gives me the feeling of being too basic. The extension ecosystem is very small, and settings panels try their hardest not to actually give you any options beyond the essential ones. It's a browser for people who endure the web, not enjoy it.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by slightwinder »

danielscrubs wrote: post #137
jbverschoor wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that came during the period of Black & White by Lionhead Studios. (which was a milestone in using gestures to cast spells by swirly your mouse around)

They where released within one month of each other.

And Opera openly admitted that they copied B&W there, because they considered it a very useful feature. It even came in a sub-version, which at that time was somewhat unusual for such an important feature.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by Maxburn »

mattowen_uk wrote: post #129

> As Vivaldi Mail supports IMAP and POP3 And there was me hoping for Exchange-Sync support for Microsoft 365 email integration, to release the local reliance on Outlook 365 which gets worse with every revision :(

Ugh, me too! First thing I checked but no ability to add exchange.

Unfortunately my org does not publish exchange as IMAP either.

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