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Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by addicted »

grishka wrote: post #128
httpsterio wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flash was not an essential part of the web in 2012. Maybe, if you had some weird work tool you had to use, some video players on the web but that was mostly it. In 2012 flash for Android was killed and it was very well known that it was going out of the window in the near future.

Many video players were still using flash. VKontakte still had its flash app/game platform going strong, though you did have the option of using an iframe that loaded a web app from your server instead. Flash support was only discontinued there around several years ago.

There;s a difference between still being around and being an "essential part" of the web.

Flash was almost certainly not an essential part of the web. 2012 was 5 years after the iPhone and by then Android and iPhone constituted the majority of web browsing, and neither supported flash at all.

You couldn't very well say something was an essential part of the web if it wasnt supported on those devices in 2012.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by niq999 »

Using Vivaldi as my main browser since a few months ago. Tab grouping and tiling is great. The side panel is neat for checking on Skype without installing the app.

I didn't experience any slowdown, but not being able to drag and drop files from downloads is a pain in the ass. It's been brought up on the forums and left at that years ago.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by kristofferR »

todd3834 wrote: post #166
awful_waffle wrote: post #164

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This honestly sounds like a great idea. At this point I'd pay money for a browser that was private, fast, and dev-friendly, simply to avoid the moral dilemma of switching from FF to a Chrome clone.

Is Safari an option for you? (Mac?)

Safari is about the least dev friendly browser there is. Their API support is atrocious, especially for web extensions.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by Vinnl »

haunter wrote: post #5
Vinnl wrote: post #4

Off-topic, but: does anyone know how Vivaldi is funded? I tried looking for it for a bit, but couldn't find any income streams.

First hit in Google https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/

Haha, that'll teach me for thinking I can find information just by browsing through the menu items. Thanks!

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by lucian1900 »

salmo wrote: post #91
alpaca128 wrote: post #73

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I find this statement a bit puzzling. Vivaldi is the slowest browser I've tried in recent years. The couple times I used it I always went back to Firefox after a few weeks because I couldn't stand the sluggish UI anymore. Maybe it improved by now, but I find it hard to believe it's now supposed to be faster after Firefox' massive performance updates.

It’s weird how this cycles. Firebird/Firefox was originally an amazingly light browser (discounting some niche Linux ones that embedded Gecko). Then it got huge, and Chrome was amazing. And it seemed impossible for FF to be able to work out the technical debt. Now Chrome often makes the fan kick in on my MBP and Firefox is lighter again in CPU and memory. I think Safari is probably best in this regard on this machine…

I didn’t like Safari at first either, but after using it for performance reasons I prefer it in general now. Simple sane UI and it helps that it syncs to my phone and table seamlessly.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by CaptainZapp »

awful_waffle wrote: post #164
55555 wrote: post #158

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I use a browser probably 12 hours per day. Maybe there's enough people willing to pay a dollar or two a month for that to be a possible business model again.

This honestly sounds like a great idea. At this point I'd pay money for a browser that was private, fast, and dev-friendly, simply to avoid the moral dilemma of switching from FF to a Chrome clone.

What's wrong with Firefox?

It's an honest question, since as a user I really love it. Is it the 'dev-friendly', which Firefox lacks?

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by lkozma »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #176
awful_waffle wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This honestly sounds like a great idea. At this point I'd pay money for a browser that was private, fast, and dev-friendly, simply to avoid the moral dilemma of switching from FF to a Chrome clone.

What's wrong with Firefox? It's an honest question, since as a user I really love it. Is it the 'dev-friendly', which Firefox lacks?

One small thing in the latest redesign: if you have two tabs, one active, one not, the visual cues suggest exactly the opposite. The active one seems like a clickable button, the inactive one seems pushed down and not clickable.

After misclicking hundreds of times, I still couldn't train myself to go against my perception and follow the designer's "bold vision", using it feels like writing with my left hand or steering a bicycle with a crooked wheel.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by addicted »

zamadatix wrote: post #154
yunohn wrote: post #117

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Frankly speaking, I’m pretty sure most users of both Firefox and Vivaldi are using Google. But my point was more around how the minimal amount of money coming from other search engines or sponsored bookmarks can’t sustain a browser dev team.

There were a couple years recently Firefox was primarily sponsored by either Yahoo or Bing (can't remember which) and that deal supported the entire Mozilla foundation same as the Google deal as well as Firefox (which also makes their own browser back end) not just a browser front-end dev team. So there are definitely other decent sources of income besides Google for these deals and since it's a significantly more fo…

It was Yahoo.

But here's why there's confusion. Yahoo search at the time (or shortly before or after) switched to using Bing's search and ad engine.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by jbnjkkm »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #176
awful_waffle wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This honestly sounds like a great idea. At this point I'd pay money for a browser that was private, fast, and dev-friendly, simply to avoid the moral dilemma of switching from FF to a Chrome clone.

What's wrong with Firefox? It's an honest question, since as a user I really love it. Is it the 'dev-friendly', which Firefox lacks?

The new UI overhaul looks awful, they killed most useful plugins with the big update awhile back, and ideologically/politically Mozilla has become equivalent to an impoverished Google so personally speaking I'm horny for something new in the browser space

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by Renaud »

BugWatch wrote: post #124
Renaud wrote: post #108

I switched to Vivaldi from Chrome earlier this year as I was uncomfortable with the level of Google integration in that browser. Vivaldi is based on Chromium and has lots of improvements over Chrome, like gestures out of the box, side panels, lots of clear options. And Chrome extensions work perfectly. I've had no issues so far. The complexity of managing a browser engine that does what everyone expects requires humo…

You can always use multiple ("specialized") instances of portable Firefox (with MultipleInstance=true in ini file). That's how I do it, and I've been using portable Firefox versions exclusively for 10+ years, I think.

Thanks for reminding me to try that again.

Last time was a couple of years ago and I had some trouble between instances but maybe I didn't do it right.

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