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India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by markha »

dman wrote: post #75
fatninja wrote: post #22

Key points from the article 1. Traceability of Encrypted Content 2. Harsh Content Take Down and Data Sharing Timelines 3. User Directed Take Downs of Non-Consensual Sexually Explicit Content and Morphed/Impersonated Content 4. Social Media User Verification 5. Automated Filtering 6. Digital Media Regulation Except point 3. Read each sentence with "Do not do" and see if it makes sense for internet.

Any pointers to the wording of the law itself? I cant appear to find it on a govt website yet.

How about https://www.meity.gov.in/writereaddata/files/Intermediary_Gu...

Keep scrolling for the English translation

Ref: https://www.meity.gov.in/content/gazettes

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by saimiam »

throwaway987861 wrote: post #46

Posting this from a throwaway just to be safe. For people outside India, here's what you can expect to see in terms of comments in this thread: - New accounts defending the government - People saying things like "stop interfering in India's business you Western people" - Badmouthing Mozilla with dysfunctional arguments against things - People bringing up examples like "but XYZ did the same, I don't see why this gover…

And the guy in charge got a cricket stadium named after him. Think about it for a second - an active politician having a stadium named after him. It’s like Obama getting O’Hare renamed after himself while he was still President.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by saimiam »

devwastaken wrote: post #30

There is an odd trend in pieces submitted about india that spawns new accounts in support of whatever it is the india government is doing. I'm in the west so probably better to updoot someone from india that has better insight. This is just my observation. If what mozilla is saying is true this is a very obvious power grab that only applies to law abiding people. Internet protocols don't care about laws, you can try…

The most charitable thing you can say about this power grab is that we can attribute it to stupidity, not malice.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by srean »

drieddust wrote: post #100
srean wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if that were to be true (that which is not) that does not justify intimidating a person by arresting them in one state moving her to another overnight and remanding to custody over claims that cannot stand the scrutiny even of a favorably disposed court -- all because of their need to gag dissent. The point is not about who is a true activist but using federal bodies to put people under arrest under trumped up c…

> ... all because of their need to gag dissent. I think you know that there are people blocking highways for months blocking entrance to Capital. If people don't have right to protest how this is hapenning. > Disha's toolkit gets an arrest but toolkits by bjp activists openly calling for violence against muslims get a wink wink nod nod BJP worker doesn't habe a toolkit. He runs a telegram group with open membership.…

> I think you know that there are people blocking highways for months blocking entrance to Capital.

It's the police that has barricaded the borders to stop them from entering Delhi. Protesting is not a crime. This is how we won our independence by peaceful protests and noncooperation movement. These are perfectly legitimate political actions.

By not calling it a toolkit you are playing semantic games. Disha's 'toolkit' was a document that instructed volunteers how to get more visibility and how to make #tags trend. It was a sketch of a plan for an entirely peaceful protest with absolutely 0 call for violence. This called for multiple arrests and many are still languishing in jail in spite of no shred of evidence linking them to violence.

On the other hand anyone can search for Kapil Mishra, and Ragini Tiwari on youtube to find recordings of their hate speech asking for killing and riots. Even inciting the rioters while they are rioting -- all captured on camera.

These people continue unarrested.

https://youtu.be/668EaVxdqwk?t=484

The following links will show more of the double standards used by the government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBVc51TFEsM&t=58s

https://www.newslaundry.com/2021/02/15/we-infiltrated-the-te...

As long as the hatred and call to arms is in line with BJP politics they see the other way.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by thunkshift1 »

wtmt wrote: post #91

This is a reaction to opposing voices that wants to quell those quickly anytime they arise. There hasn’t been, and there won’t be, any action taken against supporters of the government or even government authorities even when they incite murder in prepared and recorded public speeches (search online for “shoot the traitors” remark). This is also one more of those “all encryption should have backdoors so that the gove…

...Which is hypocritical when us based tech companies extend the same privileges to us govt, no questions asked.

If you are a growing company vying to capture one of the biggest internet markets in the world, do you think the govt in that market is just going to sit by and let things happen without some of the afore mentioned privileges coming their way? Thats not going to happen. At all.

I think over the next few years every govt is going to have some laws along same the lines.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by higerordermap »

srean wrote: post #84
xwolfi wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But isnt ignoring opinions of people who may have elected them in the first place a bit strange ? You can call them bot or paid influencers if you want, but they may double down next elections :D

They get only one vote assuming elections aren't gamed. No such restriction applies for number of accounts

You're underestimating how conservative people are in general.

There is a fear of Islam propagation in general populace of India, and there are valid reasons for it.

When you have uninformed general populace, it's easy to portray yourselves as protector of the culture and they will become fans of you, and defend every action of you. It doesn't matter you make their lives bad, corruption becomes rampant or economy goes shit. All that matters is creating a common enemy for all people.

It has worked well for BJP, because the opposition party was full of nepotism and old tactics such as minority appeasement. They came late to this propaganda game, and as long as they are nepotistic and have this muslim party image they can't do shit.

I don't think all people defending modi here are paid to do that. Let's be real, they are emotionally connected. And the problem cannot be solved by dismissing more than half of the population.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by higerordermap »

john2010 wrote: post #90

Does no one in Indian govt think that of where India should go in the long-term (30-50 years). Sure few large Indian companies are with them now. What happens then? Seems to me this will be a lost opportunity to be a leader (equal leader) in BRICS. Or do they think that they can be self-sufficient?

Pretty sure trying to follow either Russia or China. Not sure which one.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by higerordermap »

throwaway987861 wrote: post #46

Posting this from a throwaway just to be safe. For people outside India, here's what you can expect to see in terms of comments in this thread: - New accounts defending the government - People saying things like "stop interfering in India's business you Western people" - Badmouthing Mozilla with dysfunctional arguments against things - People bringing up examples like "but XYZ did the same, I don't see why this gover…

It doesn't require an IT cell to do this.

Modi is doing exactly what Trump did in US. But Modi playing the same game intelligently.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by frongpik »

techdragon wrote: post #66
frongpik wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's clearly a trend: the more people live in a country, the more paranoidal and authoritarian its rulers. They are afraid of their people and want more control. That's understandable.

This prompts the next question... what can those of us who don’t want this slide towards authoritarianism to continue, do about it? Regardless of political/social viewpoints, I don’t think it matters if you consider your political views left, right, up, down, a, b or start... for the most part these views are compatible with free expression and “lowercase l” liberal democracy. Notwithstanding notable exceptions such…

I doubt you can make a free country out of a pile of greedy people who also want to control others. It's not just India, it's like that almost everywhere today: a bunch of sociopaths at the top, the clueless crowd in the middle who will support anything and anyone, and a minority of freedom seekers at the bottom. Eventually, the stream of evolution will wash the greedy and lazy out, but that will take tens of thousands of years.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by srean »

higerordermap wrote: post #106
srean wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They get only one vote assuming elections aren't gamed. No such restriction applies for number of accounts

You're underestimating how conservative people are in general. There is a fear of Islam propagation in general populace of India, and there are valid reasons for it. When you have uninformed general populace, it's easy to portray yourselves as protector of the culture and they will become fans of you, and defend every action of you. It doesn't matter you make their lives bad, corruption becomes rampant or economy goe…

I do not disagree with a single sentence in your comment, except what is implied but not stated in the last one.

I am willing to be convinced with data that about half of the Indian population support the current events, but haven't encountered any such. Note, only around 60% voted. I will happily agree that at the time of elections around 50% of the 60% that voted was in favor of the BJP led coalition.

A person with a conservative belief system and a IT cell operation coordinator are different things altogether. I have spotted the latter on HN. If you look at their comment stream you will see them claiming that they are hindu in one that they are muslim in another. Yes its possible they converted in the middle but the prior for that is low.

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