I can hold my government accountable but not MNCs(East India Comapnies). Thats why i welcome these laws.
Coroptations put shareholders interst above anything else, from environment to human beings.
India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet
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#82There is an odd trend in pieces submitted about india that spawns new accounts in support of whatever it is the india government is doing. I'm in the west so probably better to updoot someone from india that has better insight. This is just my observation. If what mozilla is saying is true this is a very obvious power grab that only applies to law abiding people. Internet protocols don't care about laws, you can try…
Have you also not noticed that the vast majority are critical of the government. The problem with crying wolf is that, when the wolf does really emerge people would ignore your cries.
> The problem with crying wolf is that,
India is one of the most corrupt countries in the world so people complaining is not exactly crying wolf.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Champions of free expression wants to grant more power to Jack and his cohort than to the democratically elected Government because Governments are corrupt but Jack is not. How Ironic?
Their manifesto did not say that they'll regulate social media and try to limit internet freedoms. They were not elected for that. Can any future election be truly democratic if those in power get to issue content takedowns?
An absurd argument. If a new situation emerges Government should not act because it was not in their manifesto?
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#84Please ignore the trolls, ramblings, and especially the newly created accounts. The current ruling party in India has an IT cell that tries to shape opinions online irrespective of the platform.
But isnt ignoring opinions of people who may have elected them in the first place a bit strange ? You can call them bot or paid influencers if you want, but they may double down next elections :D
They get only one vote assuming elections aren't gamed. No such restriction applies for number of accounts
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#85If it's all about using a disclosed identity to help law enforcement solve a crime, law-abiding citizens would have nothing to cry foul over. On the other hand, if you are required to disclose your identity when your anonymity clashes with the policies and procedures of governments, this is unfair since it stands in the way of freedom of expression and hints at fascistic intimidation tactics.
You might find Disha Ravi case and the court proceedings informative
https://www.thequint.com/news/india/disha-ravi-charged-with-...
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#86This isn't happening in isolation. India's adversaries like China and Pakistan are dictatorships. There is asymmetry in information warfare. The media giants are not exactly neutral and are already involved in content vetting. India still has an independent judiciary, and the democratically elected government has the mandate to regulate.
> India still has an independent judiciary...
That’s highly questionable depending on the level of the judiciary being discussed. The highest court (Supreme Court) has sided more often with the executive and takes years to start hearing cases of national importance. Some of the High Courts are better.
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#87The only positive I see in this is that these kind of government actions on social media giants can push decentralised web more. By it's nature peer-to-peer systems will be beyond control of government. Internet was not supposed to be just twitter/facebook combo which it has now become. A lot of news nowadays are coming just from twitter trends on indian tv channels which is not right all the time. Mostly it's celebrity or big boss gossip but we can't rule out that twitter can start a war inside any country if it wants.
I am not sure these laws will solve any problems with the current internet. Some problems which I would like to see solved would be:
1. Tracing people who morph images real people and ruin their normal life. If this is a criminal offence and what's the point if people can easily get away with this. Internet by and large can have a mechanism to trace and banish such bad actors.
2. Too much dependence on twitter/facebook/google. It's fucked up. Why CEO of these companies have so much power over our planet. Twitter can literally cause world war by sending misinformation if it wants. It's scary to just imagine how much power Dorsey has. May be he is a good man, but is it worth to trust one man over the stability of this planet?
3. Manipulation with bots. There should be certain amount of weightage given to verified accounts as well as posts with links to verified articles. I want to see the real votes of real people - not the trends of automated bot armies.
My suggestion to Indian government on these laws would be - Applying hammers won't solve anything in long term. What will be better is to make people question what is right and wrong for internet themselves; Bring this discussion internationally and use the international platform to tell what problems are spread on internet - and tell the options people can choose in long term. Have a vote internationally may be.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
India's government is only nominally democratic and rapidly falling in freedom parameters looked at from any perspective. They are charging climate activists with sedition, holding protestors without charge for months, increase in extrajudicial killings and rapidly falling Human Development Indicators.
Please cite your source for all these claims. I'm pretty sure I'm lagging behind in the news these days.
You certainly are:
Climate activists and sedition https://news.google.com/search?q=disha%20ravi%20sedition
India freedom https://news.google.com/search?q=india%20freedom
India extrajudicial killings https://news.google.com/search?q=india%20extrajudicial%20kil...
Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet
#89This isn't happening in isolation. India's adversaries like China and Pakistan are dictatorships. There is asymmetry in information warfare. The media giants are not exactly neutral and are already involved in content vetting. India still has an independent judiciary, and the democratically elected government has the mandate to regulate.
> India still has an independent judiciary... That’s highly questionable depending on the level of the judiciary being discussed. The highest court (Supreme Court) has sided more often with the executive and takes years to start hearing cases of national importance. Some of the High Courts are better.
Ex chief justice agrees with you on how ineffective the supreme court is
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#90Does no one in Indian govt think that of where India should go in the long-term (30-50 years). Sure few large Indian companies are with them now. What happens then?
Seems to me this will be a lost opportunity to be a leader (equal leader) in BRICS.
Or do they think that they can be self-sufficient?