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Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by wtmt »

This is a reaction to opposing voices that wants to quell those quickly anytime they arise. There hasn’t been, and there won’t be, any action taken against supporters of the government or even government authorities even when they incite murder in prepared and recorded public speeches (search online for “shoot the traitors” remark).

This is also one more of those “all encryption should have backdoors so that the government alone can snoop” (as if the government is always trustworthy, responsible, and is one single, uniform and dedicated being). This playbook has been seen in other countries too, even the developed ones.

The government and authorities don’t even provide any information about random website blocking orders or any way to get incorrectly implemented orders resolved quickly.

It’s one sided to aid those in power and take power from those who are already on the other side of the scale. We don’t need more of this.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by drieddust »

xwolfi wrote: post #76
haskal wrote: post #65

Please ignore the trolls, ramblings, and especially the newly created accounts. The current ruling party in India has an IT cell that tries to shape opinions online irrespective of the platform.

But isnt ignoring opinions of people who may have elected them in the first place a bit strange ? You can call them bot or paid influencers if you want, but they may double down next elections :D

That's how I came to Modi's side. I didn't vote for him yet but now I will vote for him.

Unilateral uninformed criticism with no understanding of realities on the ground have converted me from a critic to an admirer.

Most of the West does not realise the appeasement, corruption, and tyranny of previous rule by a single family for over 70 years.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

#93

Post by drieddust »

l0k3ndr wrote: post #87

The only positive I see in this is that these kind of government actions on social media giants can push decentralised web more. By it's nature peer-to-peer systems will be beyond control of government. Internet was not supposed to be just twitter/facebook combo which it has now become. A lot of news nowadays are coming just from twitter trends on indian tv channels which is not right all the time. Mostly it's celebr…

I will be more than happy if decentralised web emerges. However, I am not ok with likes of Jack Dorosy calling the shots over Countries and elected Goverments.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by drieddust »

srean wrote: post #85
happy-go-lucky wrote: post #58

If it's all about using a disclosed identity to help law enforcement solve a crime, law-abiding citizens would have nothing to cry foul over. On the other hand, if you are required to disclose your identity when your anonymity clashes with the policies and procedures of governments, this is unfair since it stands in the way of freedom of expression and hints at fascistic intimidation tactics.

You might find Disha Ravi case and the court proceedings informative https://www.thequint.com/news/india/disha-ravi-charged-with-...

This "environmental activist" is supporting an agitation demanding freedom to burn stubble and cause pollution choking 20 million people of Delhi[1].

Having said that India have some actual activists responsible for creating forests single handedly with their own money[2][3]. Incidentally present "fasist" government honoured them while previous liberal progressive government fail to notice them. These life long activists get no coverage while faker like Greta and Disha rules the headlines.

[1] https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadav_Payeng

[3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saalumarada_Thimmakka#:~:tex....

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by l0k3ndr »

drieddust wrote: post #93
l0k3ndr wrote: post #87

The only positive I see in this is that these kind of government actions on social media giants can push decentralised web more. By it's nature peer-to-peer systems will be beyond control of government. Internet was not supposed to be just twitter/facebook combo which it has now become. A lot of news nowadays are coming just from twitter trends on indian tv channels which is not right all the time. Mostly it's celebr…

I will be more than happy if decentralised web emerges. However, I am not ok with likes of Jack Dorosy calling the shots over Countries and elected Goverments.

Agreed. Although it's the concentration of power that is harmful in long term than who is holding that power.

Moreover, I am not sure how much manipulation humans are able to detect ; a small misinformation injected into twitter timeline or a small bias in facebook can cause ripples across the world's outlook over time that we can't even notice when it's happening. Social media companies which provide these feeds always get away by saying it's by the algorithm recommendation but who is tuning those parameters? Only a small amount of human population asks 'why' type of question and rest of them just absorb the content and it shapes their mind. I watched the movie Social Dilemma sometime back and slowly this has been dawning on me - wtf we are witnessing. World is falling in hands of these social media companies, they are storing our data, they profile us, they manipulate what we see, they tell us what they want us to see ; it's mind-boggling that the world is sleeping on this much centralisation of power happening in broad daylight.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

baybal2 wrote: post #77
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi... glad you found that. I have personally faced the full brunt of Indian governments maniacal control over the internet. Since 5 August 2019 till February 2020 I had 0 internet. Then after that, only "whitelisted" websites of around 300. That number was gradually increased. High speed mobile internet was only started like last month so from March 2020 till say February 2021, around 8 million people had to endure 2…

Getting SIM cards for cash in India. Been in the situation once when I was transiting through India. Getting SIM card in India as a non-resident is a huge pain Back then, there were always people hanging around airports selling SIM cards for cash. Wholesale, data-only M2M cards are also said to be quite easy to get, with many resellers.

you can most definitely not buy a sim card for cash without kyc unless you know someone who is willing to take a shit load of risk. its not like buying commodity products. I do not know about m2m but it probably is the same thing.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by trashme »

drieddust wrote: post #94
srean wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might find Disha Ravi case and the court proceedings informative https://www.thequint.com/news/india/disha-ravi-charged-with-...

This "environmental activist" is supporting an agitation demanding freedom to burn stubble and cause pollution choking 20 million people of Delhi[1]. Having said that India have some actual activists responsible for creating forests single handedly with their own money[2][3]. Incidentally present "fasist" government honoured them while previous liberal progressive government fail to notice them. These life long activ…

The environmental activists you linked to (2 and 3) are motivated purely by altruism. They are doers.

> while faker like Greta and Disha rules the headlines.

They are armchair activists.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

#98

Post by srean »

drieddust wrote: post #94
srean wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might find Disha Ravi case and the court proceedings informative https://www.thequint.com/news/india/disha-ravi-charged-with-...

This "environmental activist" is supporting an agitation demanding freedom to burn stubble and cause pollution choking 20 million people of Delhi[1]. Having said that India have some actual activists responsible for creating forests single handedly with their own money[2][3]. Incidentally present "fasist" government honoured them while previous liberal progressive government fail to notice them. These life long activ…

Even if that were to be true (that which is not) that does not justify intimidating a person by arresting them in one state moving her to another overnight and remanding to custody over claims that cannot stand the scrutiny even of a favorably disposed court -- all because of their need to gag dissent.

The point is not about who is a true activist but using federal bodies to put people under arrest under trumped up charges for political agenda. This as weaponized use of federal bodies that India has witnessed in 50 years.

Disha's toolkit gets an arrest but toolkits by bjp activists openly calling for violence against muslims get a wink wink nod nod

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by triceratops »

revendell_elf wrote: post #14
uniclaude wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The view that governments are necessarily trying to control information unless they’re dumb is not universally shared. This has little to do with surrendering sovereignty.

But the view that companies trying to censor and control information is universally acceptable, right? I think most the universe lies in the West.

> control information

On their websites. You keep leaving that out. Facebook can't control what goes on Twitter and vice versa. But the government has power over both. That's why it's bad for the government to do it.

Re: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media laws will harm the internet

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Post by drieddust »

srean wrote: post #98
drieddust wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "environmental activist" is supporting an agitation demanding freedom to burn stubble and cause pollution choking 20 million people of Delhi[1]. Having said that India have some actual activists responsible for creating forests single handedly with their own money[2][3]. Incidentally present "fasist" government honoured them while previous liberal progressive government fail to notice them. These life long activ…

Even if that were to be true (that which is not) that does not justify intimidating a person by arresting them in one state moving her to another overnight and remanding to custody over claims that cannot stand the scrutiny even of a favorably disposed court -- all because of their need to gag dissent. The point is not about who is a true activist but using federal bodies to put people under arrest under trumped up c…

> ... all because of their need to gag dissent.

I think you know that there are people blocking highways for months blocking entrance to Capital. If people don't have right to protest how this is hapenning.

> Disha's toolkit gets an arrest but toolkits by bjp activists openly calling for violence against muslims get a wink wink nod nod

BJP worker doesn't habe a toolkit. He runs a telegram group with open membership. You can join it too.

Disha Ravi had to retract and replace the toolkit with a sanitized version because toolkit is more about disrupting the "chai and yoga" image of India than protest against policies of the Government.

And ofcourse we can't forget Muslims. They are the proverbial victims with no extremism. Be it France, Sweden, UK, Banglore or Delhi. Across time and place, all the rioting is someone else's fault across time wink wink nod nod

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