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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

ngc248 wrote: post #278
deepglacier wrote: post #270

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> I mean this is utterly condescending and racist. There is nothing racist about the international community raising concerns about violations of basic democratic rights such as free speech and right of assembly. > I think anytime anything happens to some minority in the the Great USA, us Indians also need to call our MP and ask them to create noise. I would support Indians doing this. Please raise concerns with your…

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> Basic democratic rights were not hampered, also right of assembly.

False. The government has repeatedly used Section 144 to deny the right to assemble and protest. During Hathras gangrape, not only did the government deny such rights to those who wanted to express solidarity with the victim and victims family by using Section 144. It turned a blind eye when the perpetrators milleu openly violated the section to assemble to show support on behalf of the accused. Why, because those are BJP's (the ruling party's) vote base.

The party IT cell head (Malviya) divulged the identity of the victim of rape although this is against the law. No charges have brought against Malviya or those who assembled in support of the gangrape accused in violation of Section 144.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by quantummkv »

davchana wrote: post #125
quantgenius wrote: post #121

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The BJP has won and lost elections that were run using EVMs. They literally won a national election and lost state elections in the same EVM run elections. Are you going to tell me about Biden supporters somehow having stolen the presidential election while losing house seats by ballot stuffing now? I am half Sikh and many members of my family served in the Indian military, including in Sikh regiments. I would FAR pr…

No worries, I understand. Many sikhs here support Trump. Mostly who are here since ages, & are businessman, does not pay minimum wage, employ & exploit asylum seekers. And I am also sikh, although does not wear any sikh symbols like Hair Turban. No where I said we need congress government. Modi dictator need to go away. India was progressing way way more in Manmohans rule (yes, there were million bad issues were too,…

>You can't even compare Biden Support to modi Supporters. Biden won fair & square

So did Modi. His victory in elections was accepted by all his rivals as fair and square.

> But Modi's rule is dictatorship.

How is it a dictatorship? Modi won fair and square in an election conceded by all his rivals. If you don't like him, then vote him out. If you cannot vote him out, then you can claim to it being a dictatorship.

But you can go and vote him out. And sorry, the majority of the country not accepting your views to vote him out is democracy, not dictatorship.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by davchana »

quantummkv wrote: post #292
davchana wrote: post #125

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No worries, I understand. Many sikhs here support Trump. Mostly who are here since ages, & are businessman, does not pay minimum wage, employ & exploit asylum seekers. And I am also sikh, although does not wear any sikh symbols like Hair Turban. No where I said we need congress government. Modi dictator need to go away. India was progressing way way more in Manmohans rule (yes, there were million bad issues were too,…

>You can't even compare Biden Support to modi Supporters. Biden won fair & square So did Modi. His victory in elections was accepted by all his rivals as fair and square. > But Modi's rule is dictatorship. How is it a dictatorship? Modi won fair and square in an election conceded by all his rivals. If you don't like him, then vote him out. If you cannot vote him out, then you can claim to it being a dictatorship. But…

No worries, you want to compare Modi with Biden, he is not even equal to Biden's shoe. Democrats struggled hard, & won. Modi & party lynched people, used & killed Army in Balakot & Pulwama, used IT Cell for Rs 2 per post, misinformation, used hate language, more like Republicans. But yeah, you are entitled to think he won fair & square. Same way, I know he won, but far from fair & square. EVM Fraud only.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

eklavya wrote: post #144
webmobdev wrote: post #141

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No, thanks. I am not interested in helping you whitewash their history. It is common public knowledge that the founders of RSS were an admirer of Hitler and his party. (And they still continue to admire and glorify Hitler). The RSS is also a thrice banned terrorist organization whose members are involved in various communal riots and also assassinated Gandhi. And no, Subhash Chandra Bose is not a Nazi because he didn…

Yes, why counter with facts when you can say it’s just “common knowledge”. I will not try to talk you out of your beliefs. But I can assure you from first hand extensive experience, RSS is not “nazi”. You are making extraordinary claims at least specify one “admiring and continue to admire” source.

Well common knowledge is indeed common knowledge.

“If we Hindus grow stronger, Muslim friends … will have to play the part of German Jews” -- Golwalkar, Father of RSS

"To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races -- the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by." -- same guy in his book "We -- Our Nationhood Defined"

These quotes are indeed common knowledge and easy to find.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

eklavya wrote: post #221
kamaal wrote: post #214

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I should have taken the advice of your parent comment "No, thanks. I am not interested in helping you whitewash their history." Please carry on. You deserve no opposition or feedback. You deserve to be left alone.

I am specifically calling for feedback in terms of concrete arguments. Please continue to keep brandishing people and calling them names. Great arguments!!

"To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races -- the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by." Golwalkar, the father of RSS

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-l...

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by qart »

xrisk wrote: post #268
youeseh wrote: post #265

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> What prevents a monopolized market? I'm not sure if the Indian government does this, but in some countries the government breaks up monopolies and tries to prevent them from forming in the first place. I think the new laws allow anyone to approach a farmer with a better deal, and if the farmer chooses, they can even try to sell directly to the end customers.

The Indian government actively colludes with big corp; forget about breaking up monopolies (see: Jio). As for the claim that the new laws allow anybody to approach a farmer with a better deal; sure that works in theory -- but notice that 1) that only works if there isn't a monopoly that drives prices (consider Jio that successfully monopolized telecom in India and now effectively sets prices throughout the industry)…

Jio is not a monopoly by any stretch of imagination. My family is entirely on Airtel. No one has felt the need to switch. Among all my friends, only one person uses Jio.

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Post by ngc248 »

sbmthakur wrote: post #271
ngc248 wrote: post #246

Dude, you really think, we Indians cant govern ourselves, I mean what is this calling your representatives. I think anytime anything happens to some minority in the the Great USA, us Indians also need to call our MP and ask them to create noise. I mean this is utterly condescending and racist.

> I mean this is utterly condescending and racist. I thought they are asking them to write to their Indian reps. If that's not true, then it's outright interference.

Not their Indian reps, they are talking about their US House of Representatives Rep

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Post by xrisk »

qart wrote: post #296
xrisk wrote: post #268

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The Indian government actively colludes with big corp; forget about breaking up monopolies (see: Jio). As for the claim that the new laws allow anybody to approach a farmer with a better deal; sure that works in theory -- but notice that 1) that only works if there isn't a monopoly that drives prices (consider Jio that successfully monopolized telecom in India and now effectively sets prices throughout the industry)…

Jio is not a monopoly by any stretch of imagination. My family is entirely on Airtel. No one has felt the need to switch. Among all my friends, only one person uses Jio.

... You realize that it set pricing across operators forcing literally every single one of them into losses?

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Post by srean »

durovo wrote: post #201
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #173

> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?

I don't believe that the protestors have a moral high ground in this particular case. Many of them receive free electricity and all of them don't pay any taxes (no matter how much they earn). In states like Punjab, the farmers have entered a vicious cycle where they keep planting water-hungry crops like wheat and rice due to the Minimum Support Price that they get on those (the water table in this region is in danger…

Many corporations get tax shields and benefits too, its not that the farmers are unique in this regard.

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Post by srean »

youeseh wrote: post #265
xrisk wrote: post #244

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Once the mandis are gone, what prevents a monopolized market from then strong-arming farmers into bad deals? Farmers do not have leverage to negotiate good deals with big corps, and when the mandis eventually die away (simply due to this bill); they will be forced to enter into exploitative deals. EDIT > But can ONLY sell the produce to the local Mandi. This is factually incorrect. Only about 30% of produce is sold i…

> What prevents a monopolized market? I'm not sure if the Indian government does this, but in some countries the government breaks up monopolies and tries to prevent them from forming in the first place. I think the new laws allow anyone to approach a farmer with a better deal, and if the farmer chooses, they can even try to sell directly to the end customers.

Indeed. I am against these laws because there are no such safeguards. In fact these laws take away the right to approach the courts in case of a dispute. Previously the state government could conduct raids in case hoarding of supplies were indicated. According to these laws the state governments cannot do that on the basis of rising prices till the scarcity pushes the price up by another 100%.

Agri needs reform, but that does not mean that the proposed ones are what is needed.

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