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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by webmobdev »

eklavya wrote: post #126
webmobdev wrote: post #93

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Can you provide some sources on how RSS is the nazi model. Or is this all based on just one paragraph from 1938 (before it all happened) in one of the books? Subhash chandra Bose met hitler and asked for help against the British rule, is he a nazi now? Would love some sources for RSS goons beating up a protester or activist. Mind you RSS and not some random goony org off the street.

No, thanks. I am not interested in helping you whitewash their history. It is common public knowledge that the founders of RSS were an admirer of Hitler and his party. (And they still continue to admire and glorify Hitler). The RSS is also a thrice banned terrorist organization whose members are involved in various communal riots and also assassinated Gandhi.

And no, Subhash Chandra Bose is not a Nazi because he didn't embrace their ideology. He was a secular and left-leaning revolutionary who believed that the British could only be overthrown by violence and revolution, and thus relied on the opportunist political maxim that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"to ally with Germany and Japan. While an inspiring figure in indian politics and its freedom movement, his politics was ultimately foolish, as the Japanese occupation of some parts of India, with his army's support, highlighted - the imperial army of Japan considered us as second-class citizens, as did the Nazis, and showed it with the brutality against the indian citizens in the occupied territories.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by Thorrez »

LB232323 wrote: post #66
asfasfaasfas wrote: post #20

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Complete propaganda here. The oligarchs and nationalists are pushing down the minorities (Sikhs, and Muslims and poor). A t the end of the day those funding Jio and other Oligarchs (Hi Mark, Hi Bond), will end up catching blame with a black swan event goes down. Follow the money, VCs and Facebook fund up these same oligarchs that press and kill hundreds of millions.

This forum is a product of VCs and big tech. A huge portion of Silicon Valley wealth comes from enslaving and subjugating Asia. This audience is probably the people who need to hear it most, but also the audience that it would upset the most. When did hacker culture evolve from loving technology and rebelling against the establishment into placing profits above human lives? Is a nice tech salary all it takes to purch…

Does a US company contracting with say a Chinese company to produce its products help or hurt Chinese workers? I think it would help Chinese workers by increasing employment in China and generally improving the Chinese economy.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by intended »

eklavya wrote: post #106
dragonsh wrote: post #89

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> Truth is somewhere in between In current case it’s not somewhere in between, it’s just my way or highway kind. If you understand the nuances, India has many special laws for every community like Muslim, in India there is a Hindu marriage act which has many inconsistency so your point 3 is not correct. All those reforms are targeted at specific community to promote a narrative which follows dictatorial style to foll…

So Hindu and Christian marriage bills having different divorce timelines is the same as keeping Muslim women at the mercy of Muslim men where they can text a divorce? What kind of sick propaganda are you peddling in this whole thread? Can you name one civilised society where triple talaq and polygamy exclusively for men exists? It’s unfortunate that we can’t agree on this just because of our political leanings.

India. The Indian approach to multicultural laws has its own merits, which I have seen lauded in German law journals.

Indian divorce laws were moved forward for a few communities at a time - till at one day the courts said "The laws are such for Hindus, Muslims and for Parsees. The fact that they have not been reflected in Christian practices is also incorrect so we hereby update the Christian divorce code"

Over the years the laws in India have been moving forward and reforming, in parallel to how the country has been evolving.

All laws are some function of its local customs.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by eklavya »

webmobdev wrote: post #141
eklavya wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide some sources on how RSS is the nazi model. Or is this all based on just one paragraph from 1938 (before it all happened) in one of the books? Subhash chandra Bose met hitler and asked for help against the British rule, is he a nazi now? Would love some sources for RSS goons beating up a protester or activist. Mind you RSS and not some random goony org off the street.

No, thanks. I am not interested in helping you whitewash their history. It is common public knowledge that the founders of RSS were an admirer of Hitler and his party. (And they still continue to admire and glorify Hitler). The RSS is also a thrice banned terrorist organization whose members are involved in various communal riots and also assassinated Gandhi. And no, Subhash Chandra Bose is not a Nazi because he didn…

Yes, why counter with facts when you can say it’s just “common knowledge”. I will not try to talk you out of your beliefs. But I can assure you from first hand extensive experience, RSS is not “nazi”.

You are making extraordinary claims at least specify one “admiring and continue to admire” source.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by eklavya »

intended wrote: post #133
eklavya wrote: post #124

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Wow, that seems to be correct. I wonder why they would do that. In my childhood I went to an RSS school and we used to hoist the national flag all the time. Strange.

The RSS does not want India, they want Bharat, they are for a Hindu nation. This isn't even a hidden fact, but in every basic dossier on India.

Where Hindu is a nationality/culture and not a religion. India is a name given by slavers. Bharat is a very very old concept.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by quantgenius »

davchana wrote: post #125
quantgenius wrote: post #121

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The BJP has won and lost elections that were run using EVMs. They literally won a national election and lost state elections in the same EVM run elections. Are you going to tell me about Biden supporters somehow having stolen the presidential election while losing house seats by ballot stuffing now? I am half Sikh and many members of my family served in the Indian military, including in Sikh regiments. I would FAR pr…

No worries, I understand. Many sikhs here support Trump. Mostly who are here since ages, & are businessman, does not pay minimum wage, employ & exploit asylum seekers. And I am also sikh, although does not wear any sikh symbols like Hair Turban. No where I said we need congress government. Modi dictator need to go away. India was progressing way way more in Manmohans rule (yes, there were million bad issues were too,…

Also to be clear, I’m not super pro BJP or anyone. I’m pro competence. I’m certainly not pro some of the nonsense that the various state BJP governments pull, including the past beef related hysteria.

Modi himself is not pro that nonsense as he has mentioned more than once. However, to govern he does need to create a big tent. Beef ban vs 15% of Indian women legally treated as chattel. Which battle would you prioritize?

As far as India doing better under Manmohan Singh? I like Manmohan Singh. I think if he actually had freedom to act rather than being a puppet he would have done really well. But frankly, in terms of how the country did it’s not even close. And if the Congress won again, you wouldn’t get Manmohan Singh. You’d get Rahul or Kamal Nath.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by logicchains »

systemvoltage wrote: post #56
bsan3 wrote: post #48

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The pandemic seems to be exposing the wealth inequality, which I think is the root issue here. The haves have even more and the nots bore the brunt. Judging by protests, approaching breaking point

Pandemic also brought more wealth inequality. Tourism, restaurants, brick and mortar shops, malls, theaters, airlines, etc. are affected by no malicious cause but because of the virus. The wealthy class did not cause this. While, I think the wealthy should be heavily taxed and poverty must be abolished, I don't want to live in a world where there is zero wealth inequality. Also, wealth is not a zero sum game.

> Tourism, restaurants, brick and mortar shops, malls, theaters, airlines, etc. are affected by no malicious cause but because of the virus. The wealthy class did not cause this.

This is what the wealthy want you to believe. There's no scientific evidence that places with lockdowns did better with regard to either economic or health outcomes; the lockdowns and economic destruction they caused were entirely unnecessary.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by Thorrez »

windex wrote: post #116
gruez wrote: post #109

meta: why is there an influx of green users in this thread, and why does it look like they're pushing a specific narrative?

Almost all India threads that mention the Indian government and the ruling BJP have supporters jumping in to support their party. I assume this happens a little more when the parties are extreme right/left wing. They arrive via whatsapp groups asking members for support and a link. Soon enough the targeted sites end up being downvote/upvote bot parties unless there is strong moderation. The media in India is muzzled…

You're saying that people are creating brand new HN accounts to support the Indian government? I don't see that. I looked at all the comments by green accounts in this thread:

Pro Indian government: 1 comment, 1 account

Anti Indian government: 8 comments, 4 accounts

Unknown: 2 comments, 1 account

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by sabman83 »

quantgenius wrote: post #132
sabman83 wrote: post #96

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“ If anything the Indian media absolutely loves to troll and embarass the government, “...” I would suggest the media in India is far freer of government influence than the mainstream media in the United States” This above argument is a joke. A good majority of the mainstream media in India are paid for and/or afraid of the current government. There is plenty to be said about this but I want to stick with farm bill i…

These articles are precisely the kind of trolling a lot of Indian media does. There is a law that authorizes the government to set an MSP. That is precisely all an actual piece of legislation should do. Governments and administrative bureaucracies need flexibility to function. The details in any sane government are worked out by administrative rule making which is constrained by other laws. This authority is used by…

What you say contradicts the article. Can you provide some link to your claim about the law?
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