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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by davchana »

actuator wrote: post #14
bsan3 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, complete propaganda by the Indian govt. I have family there so I can confirm. The Indian media is completely sold out to the govt and will only present highly selected and curated pictures. Social media is where they can't control the narrative. The Indian govt unleash sate sanctioned mobs on these protestors, desperate resort to break up the protest. Now they had to ensure that the truth stays under wraps. Hen…

I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I was talking about the protestors attacking cops of which there are a lot of videos on social media. The video I linked above shows them jumping from a fort to save themselves.

Yes, but those are selective video shots. Many videos on tiktok & whatsapp show where Reporters are telling their cameraman, Dont Show that, when camera goes towards Police slashing the tyres, throwing the flag at ground, & attacking 1 protester by 4+ Cop goons.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by davchana »

quantgenius wrote: post #69
dragonsh wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been shown again and again by current administration and ruling party in India that power and ideology of pure Hindu state is more important than lives and livelihood. On a grand display in 2002 incident in a province in India [1], please read the whole NYT article, before commenting on it. Later on at display in Kashmir. Subsequently during national register and citizenship act protests where religious riot…

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> The BJP is slowly reversing this and creating a situation where people are treated as Indians.

Lol as much as strength you had in your post, this one fallacy has uncovered that you are a Modi Bhakat.

BJP, RSS, Hindu Extremist's definition of Indian is, You are Indian as long as you vote & support them, otherwise Go To Pakistan, Tukre Tukre, Khalistani.

Same religious flag is allowed & ebcouraged by Army when Sikh Regiments march, & fight in Ghalwan Valley. Rajnath Singh himself says to a Sikh Officer, please do a Jaikaara. Now, here, those things make a farmer terrorist.

> Free & Fair Election

I know this is HN, we need to be civil, but this makes the blood boil. Shah himself says nobody can take his party power away for next 50 years. Modi won because of EVM Scam. Simple.

Every minority is noisy minority for you if they don't bow to BJP RSS. Same like any Trumpian here is US. Trump & Modi, & supporters are same.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by webmobdev »

bsan3 wrote: post #9
actuator wrote: post #5

Sadly as much as I hate seeing essential communication links cut, though I don't have any data I am assuming a lot of people are going to buy in the public safety angle. It is not like the Indian state hasn't used that line of reasoning before for even bans lasting more than a year. Reading through the linked article on the violence related to the same protests that happened few days back reminded me of some tweets I…

Nope, complete propaganda by the Indian govt. I have family there so I can confirm. The Indian media is completely sold out to the govt and will only present highly selected and curated pictures. Social media is where they can't control the narrative. The Indian govt unleash sate sanctioned mobs on these protestors, desperate resort to break up the protest. Now they had to ensure that the truth stays under wraps. Hen…

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by davchana »

alex_smart wrote: post #45
actuator wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I was talking about the protestors attacking cops of which there are a lot of videos on social media. The video I linked above shows them jumping from a fort to save themselves.

There is plenty of propaganda floating around from both sides. If you dislike muddy waters, I would recommend staying out of Indian politics. It is a clusterfuck. To add to your top comment, these events - protestors attacking police personnel and protestors raiding Red Fort and raising their own flags - happened on republic day , which is like a mini 4th of July for India (we have two: 15th August, which is when Ind…

Own flags, which Indian Army encourages, allows, & make a new recruit to Swore upon when recruited. Same flag is the flag of that Regiment, saluted by Prime Ministrr on every Jan 26 parade on Punjab state's vehicle (jhaanki, kind of vehicle is converted & decorated with things showing culture,).

Same modi, whose Delhi Police tramples the Tiranga, whose party flies the Tiranga lower than party flag, whose mother party RSS has never flown that flag ever in their premises, events even in 52 years since 1947.

& Bumtw, Tiranga was never touched.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by oliv__ »

bsan3 wrote: post #9
actuator wrote: post #5

Sadly as much as I hate seeing essential communication links cut, though I don't have any data I am assuming a lot of people are going to buy in the public safety angle. It is not like the Indian state hasn't used that line of reasoning before for even bans lasting more than a year. Reading through the linked article on the violence related to the same protests that happened few days back reminded me of some tweets I…

Nope, complete propaganda by the Indian govt. I have family there so I can confirm. The Indian media is completely sold out to the govt and will only present highly selected and curated pictures. Social media is where they can't control the narrative. The Indian govt unleash sate sanctioned mobs on these protestors, desperate resort to break up the protest. Now they had to ensure that the truth stays under wraps. Hen…

"The Indian media is completely sold out to the govt and will only present highly selected and curated pictures."

Sounds familiar...

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by sabman83 »

quantgenius wrote: post #51
bsan3 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, complete propaganda by the Indian govt. I have family there so I can confirm. The Indian media is completely sold out to the govt and will only present highly selected and curated pictures. Social media is where they can't control the narrative. The Indian govt unleash sate sanctioned mobs on these protestors, desperate resort to break up the protest. Now they had to ensure that the truth stays under wraps. Hen…

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“ If anything the Indian media absolutely loves to troll and embarass the government, “...” I would suggest the media in India is far freer of government influence than the mainstream media in the United States”

This above argument is a joke. A good majority of the mainstream media in India are paid for and/or afraid of the current government. There is plenty to be said about this but I want to stick with farm bill issue.

You say: “ current farmer protests, they are demanding that minimum price supports not be removed.” That is not the demand. The demand is to ensure that these new trading places outside of the mandis support the minimum price. The minimum price is a not a law but these mandis do follow them especially since the government also procures crops from the farmers. The farmers fear that with non-government buyers entering the market they would be less incentivized to buy them at minimum price. There are couple of links below that go into more of the nuances of the bill and what the farmers fear.

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/what-is-the-basi...

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/in-three-ordinan...

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by selimthegrim »

quantgenius wrote: post #73
selimthegrim wrote: post #54

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So do you expect to send the army in in Punjab like 1990s Kashmir? Why was Modi’s handpicked LTG Murmu suddenly transferred when he came out in favor of restoring 4G? You have to have a plan to restore it, even your SC says so, you can’t just gazette new ordinance every day and do “the beatings will continue until morale improves”

In a democratic country, if you want to change policy you need to get elected. If you are a civil servant, you can advise but if the elected decision makers decide otherwise you either execute the orders or you resign. Allowing someone who refused to execute legal orders and who publicly expressed dissent to be transferred in this situation is actually recognition that healthy debate is good and speaking out in a dem…

>because the Supreme Court of India like most of the silent majority in India understands that a citizen's rights only exist so long as the State itself exists.

There is basic structure doctrine, no? Otherwise why not just have Emergency again

> The majority of state citizens of Kashmir, certainly a majority of the residents and descendants of residents of Kashmir in the 1970s, today resides outside Kashmir. Most left due to terrorism.

Only Pandits are state subjects?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by dragonsh »

bharateeya wrote: post #80

BBC is heavily biased against India esp. against current government. It never publishes any good thing about india and belittles any progress made by India. It should appreciate that even passing the farm bill by the govt which is in majority, it is ready to negotiate. This is true democracy where just for the sake of 1-2 states, govt has put the reforms on hold. People should also understand that there is also forei…

Remember The first morale of Buddhism is to keep your critics near you who will always help you improve. It’s good if critical media surrounds the government.

This is common around the globe any media which questions the government is considered biased, in India more so.

No need to look for media see UN and research report on India’s development on Human Development Index (HDI) which covers mal-nutrition, infant mortality, education and healthcare it has slipped continuously in last 5 years even before pandemic. Economic development i.e. livelihood is also in downward spiral before pandemic and made much worse. Indian neighbouring countries like Bangladesh did much better. Marginalisation of most minority community is accelerated. So the current ruling party in India use religious sentiments, divisions and false pride as tools to gain majority support.

Blaming Gandhi, Nehru, Pakistan and foreigners for misery of India and its downward spiral and shooting the messenger with accusations of falsehood has become a practice and a weapon of choice in current Indian ruling establishment.

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Post by eklavya »

davchana wrote: post #94
alex_smart wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is plenty of propaganda floating around from both sides. If you dislike muddy waters, I would recommend staying out of Indian politics. It is a clusterfuck. To add to your top comment, these events - protestors attacking police personnel and protestors raiding Red Fort and raising their own flags - happened on republic day , which is like a mini 4th of July for India (we have two: 15th August, which is when Ind…

Own flags, which Indian Army encourages, allows, & make a new recruit to Swore upon when recruited. Same flag is the flag of that Regiment, saluted by Prime Ministrr on every Jan 26 parade on Punjab state's vehicle (jhaanki, kind of vehicle is converted & decorated with things showing culture,). Same modi, whose Delhi Police tramples the Tiranga, whose party flies the Tiranga lower than party flag, whose mother party…

What are you talking about? Didn’t you see the national flag hoisting event in RSS headquarters live on the news like every year?

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Post by selimthegrim »

imtringued wrote: post #60
quantgenius wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bill was public. It was debated for a while, and anyone could have read it during that period if they chose to. There was none of the here is a 5000 page bill and you must pass it in 2 hours or the economy goes under like happens in the US Congress. They not only took the farmers into confidence, they took the opinions of the farmers into consideration and amended the bill. Each individual substantive line item b…

I don't think a single HN submission does this topic justice but the fact that there are so many small farmers to begin with is strange. It's highly inefficient. It would be better if they get a city job and let a big agriculture company take over. This would increase incomes on both sides.

It’s a status thing. If you are Jat Sikh you own land or work in military, otherwise unless you have business forget about a rishta
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