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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by quantgenius »

bsan3 wrote: post #9
actuator wrote: post #5

Sadly as much as I hate seeing essential communication links cut, though I don't have any data I am assuming a lot of people are going to buy in the public safety angle. It is not like the Indian state hasn't used that line of reasoning before for even bans lasting more than a year. Reading through the linked article on the violence related to the same protests that happened few days back reminded me of some tweets I…

Nope, complete propaganda by the Indian govt. I have family there so I can confirm. The Indian media is completely sold out to the govt and will only present highly selected and curated pictures. Social media is where they can't control the narrative. The Indian govt unleash sate sanctioned mobs on these protestors, desperate resort to break up the protest. Now they had to ensure that the truth stays under wraps. Hen…

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

pantalaimon wrote: post #2

Well that sure is a case for Starlink.

As with every war, you have "freedom fighters" fighting the "bad dictator" and you have "terrorists" fighting the "democratically elected leader", depending on who the media like that day - https://imgur.com/gallery/NQ67u .

Same here.. if elon/us government/whoever sides with the protesters, then starlink is the solution. If they decide that the farmers are "oposition funded extremists" (or whatever) it isn't.

Basically the only solution is the one that is independent on the government and international corporations... be it ham radio, wifi mesh networks, or some other kind of technology. Obviously all of that is easier in developed nations, where everyone can buy an extra router and a handheld radio for a price of a dinner at a shitty restaurant.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by 0xFFFE »

midasuni wrote: post #47
0xFFFE wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Search: "arnab leaked chats" Similarly, searching for "Singhu border SHO attack" will give you many sources for the same incident.

Choosing such a bad source by default pretty much wipes your credibility out. It like saying domestic drinking is up and posting https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2021/01/29/local-man-to-sp... As proof. You may have had a point, but it’s lost from your source.

> Choosing such a bad source by default pretty much wipes your credibility out.

I would buy your argument if the Republic was the only news channel reporting it. I am not here to prove my credibility, I am stating a fact that the incident happened. I have no affiliation to any of the news channels, all I am arguing is violence was uncalled for. If you want to ignore that incident just because I cited a source that you don't like, you are welcome to ignore my comments and move on.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by selimthegrim »

quantgenius wrote: post #51
bsan3 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, complete propaganda by the Indian govt. I have family there so I can confirm. The Indian media is completely sold out to the govt and will only present highly selected and curated pictures. Social media is where they can't control the narrative. The Indian govt unleash sate sanctioned mobs on these protestors, desperate resort to break up the protest. Now they had to ensure that the truth stays under wraps. Hen…

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So do you expect to send the army in in Punjab like 1990s Kashmir? Why was Modi’s handpicked LTG Murmu suddenly transferred when he came out in favor of restoring 4G? You have to have a plan to restore it, even your SC says so, you can’t just gazette new ordinance every day and do “the beatings will continue until morale improves”

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by AmericanChopper »

0xFFFE wrote: post #50
AmericanChopper wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about the revolutionary war? Or the Jacobite uprisings? Or the troubles? Or the French Resistance? Or the Yugoslav Partisans? I’m all for peaceful solutions too, but if you look through history you’ll find plenty of morally righteous violent resistance. In this case it seems inevitable to me. The aggrieved parties here mostly come from a place that was previously violently conquered by the Mughal Empi…

So if this not a protest against the farm bill, they should drop the facade then. > you’ll find plenty of morally righteous violent resistance. Sure, but we should have a sense of proportion here. Supreme court is hearing the case and the Govt has agreed to put the new law on hold for 1.5 years. Why not wait for Supreme court's judgement? How do you justify blocking highways for over 2 months causing great economic d…

> So if this not a protest against the farm bill, they should drop the facade then.

The protest is against the farm Bill, which is seen as a further act of oppression against minority groups, from a government formed to serve only Hindu India. The agriculture industry in India is dominated by minorities, mainly Sikhs, and mainly Punjabis. The aggrieved parties here see this as an act of economic oppression, and if you want to make sense of the controversy, you have to view it in the broader context of Indian history, especially wrt everything that’s happened in the post-partition period. Tanks rolling up to the golden temple is still a very fresh memory for a lot of these protestors.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by systemvoltage »

bsan3 wrote: post #48
systemvoltage wrote: post #29

Is it fair to say that the pandemic has brewed more protests than ever, not just in India but worldwide? It's not to diminish the issues, but the pandemic is adding fuel? Most countries around the world are facing protests all simultaneously after the pandemic (except China)?

The pandemic seems to be exposing the wealth inequality, which I think is the root issue here. The haves have even more and the nots bore the brunt. Judging by protests, approaching breaking point

Pandemic also brought more wealth inequality. Tourism, restaurants, brick and mortar shops, malls, theaters, airlines, etc. are affected by no malicious cause but because of the virus. The wealthy class did not cause this.

While, I think the wealthy should be heavily taxed and poverty must be abolished, I don't want to live in a world where there is zero wealth inequality. Also, wealth is not a zero sum game.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by quantgenius »

codesternews wrote: post #46

Sadly the Indian govt passed the laws without taking opposition and farmers in confidence. They passed the law very bluntly. Thats from where all this started. It's very simple thing to solve but current govt want to make it political. They are basically saying MSP(Minimum selling price) is not affected. But farmers protesting why you include this in bill. But because of govt ego millions of farmers are protesting fo…

The bill was public. It was debated for a while, and anyone could have read it during that period if they chose to. There was none of the here is a 5000 page bill and you must pass it in 2 hours or the economy goes under like happens in the US Congress. They not only took the farmers into confidence, they took the opinions of the farmers into consideration and amended the bill. Each individual substantive line item being demanded by the protesters is already included in the bill. The bill literally cannot harm any actual farmer. It will prevent certain bureaucrats and politicians from receiving bribes from the buyers of produce and as a result will likely increase what the farmers receive by the amount of the bribe paid. They can quite literally only get MORE for produce than they get now, the bill obligates the government to guarantee this.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by dragonsh »

actuator wrote: post #14
bsan3 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, complete propaganda by the Indian govt. I have family there so I can confirm. The Indian media is completely sold out to the govt and will only present highly selected and curated pictures. Social media is where they can't control the narrative. The Indian govt unleash sate sanctioned mobs on these protestors, desperate resort to break up the protest. Now they had to ensure that the truth stays under wraps. Hen…

I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I was talking about the protestors attacking cops of which there are a lot of videos on social media. The video I linked above shows them jumping from a fort to save themselves.

This has been shown again and again by current administration and ruling party in India that power and ideology of pure Hindu state is more important than lives and livelihood.

On a grand display in 2002 incident in a province in India [1], please read the whole NYT article, before commenting on it.

Later on at display in Kashmir. Subsequently during national register and citizenship act protests where religious riots were used again to suppress a year of peaceful protests.

Than again during university protests in New Delhi. Here again students were attacked inside the university, police beat and shot university students. Still even one person from ruling party who participated in violence or a cop who shot is to be prosecuted. On the other hand most of those opposing are being charged with terrorist charges.

India to really progress out of poverty needs to first learn to respect its diversity and be united. Current administrations and ruling party’s policy has taken India on a downhill path of economic disaster, lower HDI, more poverty and more hunger. United Nations data and research don’t lie, India constantly slipped compared to its neighbours like Bangladesh on this index. So probably it will be better instead of hardline approach things change in India, otherwise it will be too late for a divided country to progress forward. It might on the other hand will move towards authoritarian dictatorship very quickly. India needs to come out of tyranny of majority and authoritarian mindset of current government for a change.

I hope this same story and violence does not repeat in Bengal, where already violence is being promoted to unseat local government which does not believe in Hindu supremacy like the central government.

[1] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/09/blood-and-soil...

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by alex_smart »

intended wrote: post #28
actuator wrote: post #5

Sadly as much as I hate seeing essential communication links cut, though I don't have any data I am assuming a lot of people are going to buy in the public safety angle. It is not like the Indian state hasn't used that line of reasoning before for even bans lasting more than a year. Reading through the linked article on the violence related to the same protests that happened few days back reminded me of some tweets I…

It’s sad since the majority of the protest was peaceful. There’s even the usual sorry state where reporters actively told camera men to stop rolling when they accidentally captured police caning protestors. The capitol insurrection angle is also a new line being tested in the media for consumption.

How many cellphone towers from JIO have the protesters destroyed till now? It was over 1500 last I checked, but that was like end of December.

Destroying private property based on arbit FUD propaganda. Oh so peaceful.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by imtringued »

quantgenius wrote: post #57
codesternews wrote: post #46

Sadly the Indian govt passed the laws without taking opposition and farmers in confidence. They passed the law very bluntly. Thats from where all this started. It's very simple thing to solve but current govt want to make it political. They are basically saying MSP(Minimum selling price) is not affected. But farmers protesting why you include this in bill. But because of govt ego millions of farmers are protesting fo…

The bill was public. It was debated for a while, and anyone could have read it during that period if they chose to. There was none of the here is a 5000 page bill and you must pass it in 2 hours or the economy goes under like happens in the US Congress. They not only took the farmers into confidence, they took the opinions of the farmers into consideration and amended the bill. Each individual substantive line item b…

I don't think a single HN submission does this topic justice but the fact that there are so many small farmers to begin with is strange.

It's highly inefficient. It would be better if they get a city job and let a big agriculture company take over. This would increase incomes on both sides.

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