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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by quantgenius »

davchana wrote: post #92
quantgenius wrote: post #69

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> The BJP is slowly reversing this and creating a situation where people are treated as Indians. Lol as much as strength you had in your post, this one fallacy has uncovered that you are a Modi Bhakat. BJP, RSS, Hindu Extremist's definition of Indian is, You are Indian as long as you vote & support them, otherwise Go To Pakistan, Tukre Tukre, Khalistani. Same religious flag is allowed & ebcouraged by Army when Sikh R…

The BJP has won and lost elections that were run using EVMs. They literally won a national election and lost state elections in the same EVM run elections. Are you going to tell me about Biden supporters somehow having stolen the presidential election while losing house seats by ballot stuffing now?

I am half Sikh and many members of my family served in the Indian military, including in Sikh regiments. I would FAR prefer a BJP central government to a Congress one. Before you listen to another word of Congress propaganda, google the Delhi Sikh Riots and the role senior Congress party members like Kamal Nath played in them. The BJP may not be particularly erudite English speakers and may deliberately choose not to participate in debates at Oxford like a Shashi Tharoor might. They don’t want care to play to a western audience in that manner. But unlike the Congress they don’t put mafioso or wife killers in senior positions no matter how suave they may be.

Trump and Modi are not from the same Universe. Modi noticed Trump loves adulation and let him have all he wanted. That is just smart diplomacy.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by davchana »

selimthegrim wrote: post #97
quantgenius wrote: post #73

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In a democratic country, if you want to change policy you need to get elected. If you are a civil servant, you can advise but if the elected decision makers decide otherwise you either execute the orders or you resign. Allowing someone who refused to execute legal orders and who publicly expressed dissent to be transferred in this situation is actually recognition that healthy debate is good and speaking out in a dem…

>because the Supreme Court of India like most of the silent majority in India understands that a citizen's rights only exist so long as the State itself exists. There is basic structure doctrine, no? Otherwise why not just have Emergency again > The majority of state citizens of Kashmir, certainly a majority of the residents and descendants of residents of Kashmir in the 1970s, today resides outside Kashmir. Most lef…

Sahi pakre hai, yes, true, for BJP, Only Hindus are state subjects, us others are just extra, cannon fodder.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by webmobdev »

quantgenius wrote: post #107
dragonsh wrote: post #75

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Again you are parroting the same national agenda of the current Indian government of a Hindu state and Hindu way of living forcibly forced on every community in India. Recent example of local government passing laws to support groups and Organization who kill people who eat beef, another example of people of different religion marrying needs approval from state government (calling it law against love jihad). Not sure…

Also to be married under the Special Marriage Act you can really only have a civil ceremony at a magistrates office. If you have a religious ceremony, it does not apply.

That's not true. You can have a religious ceremony after the civil ceremony is registered.

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Post by eklavya »

davchana wrote: post #108
eklavya wrote: post #99

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What are you talking about? Didn’t you see the national flag hoisting event in RSS headquarters live on the news like every year?

No, I want to see RSS every year as much as a True Indian want to see Pakistan Independence Day parade. Never. RSS did not hoist Tiranga till 2002. Don't you know or you conveniently ignore?

Wow, that seems to be correct. I wonder why they would do that. In my childhood I went to an RSS school and we used to hoist the national flag all the time. Strange.

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Post by davchana »

quantgenius wrote: post #121
davchana wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The BJP is slowly reversing this and creating a situation where people are treated as Indians. Lol as much as strength you had in your post, this one fallacy has uncovered that you are a Modi Bhakat. BJP, RSS, Hindu Extremist's definition of Indian is, You are Indian as long as you vote & support them, otherwise Go To Pakistan, Tukre Tukre, Khalistani. Same religious flag is allowed & ebcouraged by Army when Sikh R…

The BJP has won and lost elections that were run using EVMs. They literally won a national election and lost state elections in the same EVM run elections. Are you going to tell me about Biden supporters somehow having stolen the presidential election while losing house seats by ballot stuffing now? I am half Sikh and many members of my family served in the Indian military, including in Sikh regiments. I would FAR pr…

No worries, I understand. Many sikhs here support Trump. Mostly who are here since ages, & are businessman, does not pay minimum wage, employ & exploit asylum seekers. And I am also sikh, although does not wear any sikh symbols like Hair Turban.

No where I said we need congress government. Modi dictator need to go away. India was progressing way way more in Manmohans rule (yes, there were million bad issues were too, no denial). But Modi's rule is dictatorship.

Delhi 1984 need to be punished, by Singh's or by Government, or by people. Yes, that includes Rajiv, Indiara, Kamal Math, Everybody who was involved. #NeverForget1984

You can't even compare Biden Support to modi Supporters. Biden won fair & square. The greatest president has world's most secure elections under his rule, & fraud happened? No, he lost it. Simple. I am Democrat pro, want Sanders, but will work with Biden, because the other option was Twice Impeached Orange. Never. A lesser evil is better than bigger one.

RSS has a MBA Think Tank in Nagpur, thinking over every next move to keep the power clutched in their bloody hands forever. Its a rouse that winning every election will seem sus, so lets lose some smaller ones.

Serving in military does not give one a certificate of something. Its a profession. Nobody is forced. Its for money, just like any other profession. Teachers, Cashiers, Servers, Firefighters are equally important. Nothing morally special about being you or family in military. Millions of racist bigots work in every country's military, thinking themselves as Patriots, but infact are just racist.

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Post by eklavya »

webmobdev wrote: post #93
bsan3 wrote: post #9

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Nope, complete propaganda by the Indian govt. I have family there so I can confirm. The Indian media is completely sold out to the govt and will only present highly selected and curated pictures. Social media is where they can't control the narrative. The Indian govt unleash sate sanctioned mobs on these protestors, desperate resort to break up the protest. Now they had to ensure that the truth stays under wraps. Hen…

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Can you provide some sources on how RSS is the nazi model. Or is this all based on just one paragraph from 1938 (before it all happened) in one of the books? Subhash chandra Bose met hitler and asked for help against the British rule, is he a nazi now?

Would love some sources for RSS goons beating up a protester or activist. Mind you RSS and not some random goony org off the street.

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Post by intended »

alex_smart wrote: post #59
intended wrote: post #28

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It’s sad since the majority of the protest was peaceful. There’s even the usual sorry state where reporters actively told camera men to stop rolling when they accidentally captured police caning protestors. The capitol insurrection angle is also a new line being tested in the media for consumption.

How many cellphone towers from JIO have the protesters destroyed till now? It was over 1500 last I checked, but that was like end of December. Destroying private property based on arbit FUD propaganda. Oh so peaceful.

Ah yes, when we can't demonize them as minorities, or reflect on the largely peaceful protest, we return to "who will think of the ~~busses~~ I mean telecom towers!"

The ones owned by a company that has a lot to gain from these remarkable laws! I mean, property damage is a stones throw too far, given that the government has listened and responded, and created laws which don't remove access to courts for anyone with a dispute.

But yes, any violence to property is truly abhorrent. Incidentally, I am pro agri reform. I would never trust this government to execute anything though. Seriously, a bill which removes your right to legal recourse? Your only succor a tribunal run by the ministry?

Even then, they are not trying to redo the bills, they simply want to push it off to a later date.

To be honest I do hope everything they want passes, and that everyone who voted for them stays behind in the glorious country. I suspect there is no other way that the mechanistic, command and control mindset prevalent throughout the country will removed.

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Post by bshepard »

bobobob420 wrote: post #63

Just don’t bother trying to understand Indian politics, especially if are living outside the country. It is a mess beyond any understanding and just a waste of time.

Here's a place to start: http://goodcat.news/cage-grh.html

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Post by bshepard »

gbszza wrote: post #76
gbszza wrote: post #74

There is a consistent trend. modi Govt pushed policies written by crony capitalists ambani adani. wenever the govt sees any public dissent they shut down internet and meanwhile push misinformation campaign on ambani owned TV channels. Half bake distorted news of the level no western democracy can even imagine. Mukesh Ambani directly or indirectly controls almost whole mainstream media who is modi main financier. Farm…

Complete failure of this protest or its conversion into violence will most likely lead to civil war and discontent in Indian armed forces as majority indiam soldiers come from the agriculture families of North India where this protest is concentrated giving China further confidence to balkanize India. chinese army is already testing indian resolve in past 12 months. Failure of india today will lead us into Chinese ce…

Many people in "India" also wish to have their own nations. The Sikh people would, presumably, be much better off living in Khalistan than under the domination of far-right Hindu paramilitary organizations.

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Post by intended »

sbmthakur wrote: post #112
dragonsh wrote: post #58

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This has been shown again and again by current administration and ruling party in India that power and ideology of pure Hindu state is more important than lives and livelihood. On a grand display in 2002 incident in a province in India [1], please read the whole NYT article, before commenting on it. Later on at display in Kashmir. Subsequently during national register and citizenship act protests where religious riot…

Are you saying there was no violence by protestors on the Republic day? Would appreciate some references for the same.

Newslaundry did a great piece on it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLgOg79F-Ug

sadly, comics are the best source of news on India. I can't believe how soon the new industry simply capitulated to the center. Its hilarious.

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