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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by ngc248 »

estaseuropano wrote: post #65
actuator wrote: post #5

Sadly as much as I hate seeing essential communication links cut, though I don't have any data I am assuming a lot of people are going to buy in the public safety angle. It is not like the Indian state hasn't used that line of reasoning before for even bans lasting more than a year. Reading through the linked article on the violence related to the same protests that happened few days back reminded me of some tweets I…

Even if this were actually true at larger scale (than at most a few isolated cases played up), the comparison of the righteous anger of starving farmers with that of propaganda-fed Americans is not really helpful.

These are not starving farmers. Punjab has the richest farmers, I feel you are just associating the word poor, starving with farmers.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by flik »

mandeepj wrote: post #224
yinyang_in wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not BJP fanatic, but as I see these laws. These are pro-farmer and anti-madis laws. There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. I wrote posts on it : https://iamamitmurari.medium.com/farm-laws-farmer-issues-and...

> There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. You have no clue. Farmers were free before also to sell anywhere. Reliance is going to monopolize in agriculture also similar to what they have done with Telecom via Jio.

Agree.

I have a BSNL net connection (with reliability going down from good to worse). Being public sectore, Central govt is accountable for BSNL quality.

The way BSNL value is/was destroyed to promote Reliance... is now repeating elsewhere.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by ngc248 »

wolfretcrap wrote: post #81

Truth is somewhere in between: 1. It's true that media is controlled by Government now. It wasn't the case before this government came into action. 2. It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmeri…

Dude, which media houses are controlled by the government? can we stop with this meme?

NDTV, the times group all of the influential media houses oppose the government. So pray tell me which media exactly is controlled by the government?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by xrisk »

bythckr wrote: post #223
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #173

> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?

Let me share how I understood the issue. Pre-independence, during the Zamindar System (Indian version of Feudalism). The Zamindar owned the land and the farmers worked on it and the Zamindar compensated them what he felt like. The farmers had no leverage to bargain and was pretty much the salve of the Zamindar. This was the Indian version of slaves. Similarly after the Independence, the Zamindar System was abolished.…

Once the mandis are gone, what prevents a monopolized market from then strong-arming farmers into bad deals? Farmers do not have leverage to negotiate good deals with big corps, and when the mandis eventually die away (simply due to this bill); they will be forced to enter into exploitative deals.

EDIT

> But can ONLY sell the produce to the local Mandi.

This is factually incorrect. Only about 30% of produce is sold in mandis. [1] [2]

[1] https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/agriculture/by-pushing-f...

[2] https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/can-free-trade-...

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by ngc248 »

webmobdev wrote: post #104
wolfretcrap wrote: post #81

Truth is somewhere in between: 1. It's true that media is controlled by Government now. It wasn't the case before this government came into action. 2. It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmeri…

You have totally bought the government misinformation on the protest when you say: > It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. No. These protests are organised by the opposition political parties of India through the farm unions they run or are affiliated with, not by brokers. And they are happening to address the legitimate grievances of the farmers. Farming…

With the mandi system, the farmers never made money. It was always the mandi (the middle man) who made money. These mandis also can hoard and drive up the prices, They have total control over the supply. The farmer orgs currently protesting are all opposition backed orgs. so all of this is political

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by ngc248 »

Dude, you really think, we Indians cant govern ourselves, I mean what is this calling your representatives.

I think anytime anything happens to some minority in the the Great USA, us Indians also need to call our MP and ask them to create noise.

I mean this is utterly condescending and racist.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by windex »

lord_washington wrote: post #209
ffiw wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You won't get a reply. For presenting any evidence like that on /r/india you would be promptly get banned. These guys ruined /r/india it's now full of anti modi bhajan 24/7. The only reason I still stick with reddit is because of some technical subs like /r/programming. Now these people aren't leaving even hacker news.

r/India is an anti-Modi partisan sub. The last I checked they were expecting Biden administration to interfere in India's internal matters. Not a surprise since we still have a good number of Mir jaffers and Jai chands in the country. The unfortunate thing is that's the first place where foreign redditors will go whenever they want to see something India related. All that aside, it's still a good place to see some me…

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by rishav_sharan »

0xFFFE wrote: post #40
middleclick wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read your own links? > Samyukta Kisan Morcha, an umbrella organisation representing more than 40 farmers’ unions, condemned those who had taken part in the clashes and said that “anti-social elements had infiltrated the otherwise peaceful movement”. The organizers clearly condemned the violence. What else should they do? Repeating what you conveniently ignored: one bad incident does not override months of com…

> Repeating what you conveniently ignored: one bad incident does not override months of completely peaceful protests I am not the one conveniently forgetting violence at the Red fort. Let me ask you, why even protest when the Supreme court is hearing the case and Govt has agreed to put the law on hold for 1.5 years. Why violence & blocking highways? Why not take it up with Supreme Court?

because after 1.5 years the same law gets passed without amendments. This is a well known trick most authoritarian govts apply. If any law has immediate widespread resistance, just put it on hold for some time till the resentment dies down and new news cycle takes over. Then pass it up without much resistance.

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Post by eklavya »

gowthamgts12 wrote: post #227
eklavya wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, why counter with facts when you can say it’s just “common knowledge”. I will not try to talk you out of your beliefs. But I can assure you from first hand extensive experience, RSS is not “nazi”. You are making extraordinary claims at least specify one “admiring and continue to admire” source.

you can stop arguing with him. mostly he belongs to the liberal left.

I would like to believe that we can still have a conversation.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by eklavya »

rishav_sharan wrote: post #231
eklavya wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, why counter with facts when you can say it’s just “common knowledge”. I will not try to talk you out of your beliefs. But I can assure you from first hand extensive experience, RSS is not “nazi”. You are making extraordinary claims at least specify one “admiring and continue to admire” source.

Perhaps religious terrorists or fascists, are better monikers for RSS than "Nazi" which is a way more loaded term.

Ok, how are they religious terrorists or fascists?
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