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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by durovo »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #173

> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?

I don't believe that the protestors have a moral high ground in this particular case. Many of them receive free electricity and all of them don't pay any taxes (no matter how much they earn). In states like Punjab, the farmers have entered a vicious cycle where they keep planting water-hungry crops like wheat and rice due to the Minimum Support Price that they get on those (the water table in this region is in danger). Plus these protestors are also against the laws that fine farmers for burning the stubble after harvest (which results in the infamous Delhi smog every winter). Basically, it's a fight between two groups with vested interests.

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Post by eklavya »

davchana wrote: post #195
eklavya wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sources, sources and not your disgustingly twisted propaganda. Who is wishing Sikh killings? God stop it.

You asked for sources for Modi bhakats wishing death upon Sikhs in 1984 style. You literally asked Who is wishing Sikh Killings! I provided the sources. Only 6. There are millions of tweets & videos, where BJP RSS Hindu are saying We Miss Mother Indira.

If that’s the case, do you have a single source for any RSS leader saying that? How did you count there are millions of these tweets? How did you ascertain their origin?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by eklavya »

intended wrote: post #187
eklavya wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, so what is your point exactly? That local customs trump women’s right to be treated as humans? Really, please look into the practices and then tell me you could ever want that for another person. By that logic Hindus should still encourage/force widows to burn at the pyre with their dead husbands. It was truly disgusting to see the entire left lobby, the self proclaimed champions for human rights shamelessly pr…

You seem to be conflating the issue back to the usual axis of islamaphobia. So why aren’t marital rape laws not enacted in India? Or for that matter how come there was such a furor when the court decided that all Hindu pilgrims regardless of gender could visit Sabarimala? Do note - the vast majority of Indian laws have moved progressively despite political pressures. The divorce laws in India were regularly opposed b…

So let’s campaign for those? Let’s try to change those policies? Why should we go back on a good step to keep everybody in a shit place?

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Post by lord_washington »

windex wrote: post #165
ffiw wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You won't get a reply. For presenting any evidence like that on /r/india you would be promptly get banned. These guys ruined /r/india it's now full of anti modi bhajan 24/7. The only reason I still stick with reddit is because of some technical subs like /r/programming. Now these people aren't leaving even hacker news.

Modi is India's Trump I hear. Lot of similarities except for the genocide.

> Modi is India's Trump I hear.

Except for the re-election.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by davchana »

bgdam wrote: post #189
quantgenius wrote: post #146

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Also to be clear, I’m not super pro BJP or anyone. I’m pro competence. I’m certainly not pro some of the nonsense that the various state BJP governments pull, including the past beef related hysteria. Modi himself is not pro that nonsense as he has mentioned more than once. However, to govern he does need to create a big tent. Beef ban vs 15% of Indian women legally treated as chattel. Which battle would you prioriti…

I don't understand how banning beef has anything to do with Indian women being treated as chattel. You can prevent the latter without dictating my food habits. Also, if you're so intent on saving the cow, why is India still the world's largest exporter of beef? Because banning exports of beef will hurt the corporate masters who fund the BJP.

Exactly, many of the beef factory owners are BJP members or Supporters. It should be simple to rule, provide safety, & quality of life, but dont dictate what to eat or wear or marry or sing or dance. As long as its not a defined crime, people should be able to decide if they want to eat beef or celebrate valentine.

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Post by bilalhusain »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #173

> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?

Modi's BJP is a power hungry party unlike anything I have seen. I doubt they care about anything (nation, economy, welfare).

The way it has been going on is that government announces something or passes some bill because they have to do something on a particular topic (say black money, taxes, Covid). However, they are incompetent or don't have the willingness or interest in actually carrying it out. So, these changes turn out to be catastrophic. They take toll on economy as well as anyone impacted because of the decision making.

Agriculture reforms are much needed in India. However, the government did it in hurry by-passing rules and without consulting farmers. I guess, they just want to do something so that they can let the marketing take care of the rest (that the goverment has done something for farmers - doesn't matter what or irrespective of whether it really helps them).

With these bills, the concern is that it will let private players take over and exploit farmers because of insufficient provisions to take care of farmers' interest. And then nobody will care (very much a risk because no one raises voice of oppressed which might show government in bad light because of the sold-out media). And the government will push narrative that they did the "reforms" (backed by fake data which is a hallmark of this government).

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Post by fakedang »

yinyang_in wrote: post #192
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #173

> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?

Not BJP fanatic, but as I see these laws. These are pro-farmer and anti-madis laws. There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. I wrote posts on it : https://iamamitmurari.medium.com/farm-laws-farmer-issues-and...

There's way too much nuance here than what your post suggests. Your post is a theoretical evaluation of the new laws, without looking at the on-the-ground happenings or the fallout effects from the new laws. Granted, the old mandi system is extremely broken, but the new laws aren't any much better. On the contrary, they facilitate the gradual takeover of control from the APMCs to government-tied cronies. These farmers already know it (and aren't "uneducated" as the Indian farmer trope goes) and they saw through the government ploy pretty much.

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Post by davchana »

eklavya wrote: post #202
davchana wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You asked for sources for Modi bhakats wishing death upon Sikhs in 1984 style. You literally asked Who is wishing Sikh Killings! I provided the sources. Only 6. There are millions of tweets & videos, where BJP RSS Hindu are saying We Miss Mother Indira.

If that’s the case, do you have a single source for any RSS leader saying that? How did you count there are millions of these tweets? How did you ascertain their origin?

I am not going to do the work for you. You don't wanna believe, thats fine, your choice, uour opinion, your freedom.

You asked Who is wishing, I gave you tweet links, now if you want, can click through those profiles. Them profiles have photos of Gandi & Jinaah with Text Dividers. Savarkar as Veer. Modi as Best Prime Minister in world as per UNESCO. That's how I made the connection that they are RSS or Supporters. Because many of them are in RSS Uniform.

& search Indira Gandhi on twitter.

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Post by lord_washington »

ffiw wrote: post #153
Thorrez wrote: post #148

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You're saying that people are creating brand new HN accounts to support the Indian government? I don't see that. I looked at all the comments by green accounts in this thread: Pro Indian government: 1 comment, 1 account Anti Indian government: 8 comments, 4 accounts Unknown: 2 comments, 1 account

You won't get a reply. For presenting any evidence like that on /r/india you would be promptly get banned. These guys ruined /r/india it's now full of anti modi bhajan 24/7. The only reason I still stick with reddit is because of some technical subs like /r/programming. Now these people aren't leaving even hacker news.

r/India is an anti-Modi partisan sub. The last I checked they were expecting Biden administration to interfere in India's internal matters. Not a surprise since we still have a good number of Mir jaffers and Jai chands in the country. The unfortunate thing is that's the first place where foreign redditors will go whenever they want to see something India related.

All that aside, it's still a good place to see some meltdowns.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by lord_washington »

fakedang wrote: post #207
yinyang_in wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not BJP fanatic, but as I see these laws. These are pro-farmer and anti-madis laws. There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. I wrote posts on it : https://iamamitmurari.medium.com/farm-laws-farmer-issues-and...

There's way too much nuance here than what your post suggests. Your post is a theoretical evaluation of the new laws, without looking at the on-the-ground happenings or the fallout effects from the new laws. Granted, the old mandi system is extremely broken, but the new laws aren't any much better. On the contrary, they facilitate the gradual takeover of control from the APMCs to government-tied cronies. These farmer…

> On the contrary, they facilitate the gradual takeover of control from the APMCs to government-tied cronies

That's oft-repeated claim that lacks serious backing. If that were true all farmer associations must have opposed the laws which is not happening[1].

1. https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/who-are-shetkari...

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