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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by selimthegrim » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 5:32 AM UTC

quantgenius wrote: post #73

selimthegrim wrote: post #54

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So do you expect to send the army in in Punjab like 1990s Kashmir? Why was Modi’s handpicked LTG Murmu suddenly transferred when he came out in favor of restoring 4G? You have to have a plan to restore it, even your SC says so, you can’t just gazette new ordinance every day and do “the beatings will continue until morale improves”

In a democratic country, if you want to change policy you need to get elected. If you are a civil servant, you can advise but if the elected decision makers decide otherwise you either execute the orders or you resign. Allowing someone who refused to execute legal orders and who publicly expressed dissent to be transferred in this situation is actually recognition that healthy debate is good and speaking out in a dem…

I look forward to the "Gulmarg Quiet Zone" around the observatory there so rest of Kashmir can have 4G again.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by wtmt » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 5:32 AM UTC

If you’re someone outside India, please write to your representatives (or organize something) on matters like Internet access being cut off. We live in an age where this can be a matter of life and death.

It is standard practice in India to cut off Internet access in places where there are riots or riots expected to happen or for some nebulous “national security” concern. In fact, India tops the list of countries with the most Internet shutdowns in the last few years (you can check this out online).

In one state (where wired broadband penetration is quite low), mobile Internet access was disabled for several months even during the pandemic!

The government and its law enforcement agencies do not know of other ways to handle these and resort to more of a “control and crush” mode.

Maybe certain circumstances lead to certain decisions. What’s more shocking is that there’s no transparency on why access is blocked, who got it done, when the block will be lifted (and for what reasons). A democracy cannot thrive when the ruling powers along with law enforcement hold everything as a secret and don’t appreciate questions from the citizens.

It’s sad to see India becoming more closed and authoritarian.

Internet Freedom Foundation (https://internetfreedom.in) fights for digital rights in India. Follow and support it.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by MichaelMoser123 » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 5:32 AM UTC

> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population

I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by hashhar » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 5:33 AM UTC

windex wrote: post #163

Thorrez wrote: post #148

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You're saying that people are creating brand new HN accounts to support the Indian government? I don't see that. I looked at all the comments by green accounts in this thread: Pro Indian government: 1 comment, 1 account Anti Indian government: 8 comments, 4 accounts Unknown: 2 comments, 1 account

I am saying that this is the trend on all threads that are critical of the Indian government and calls out its propaganda. It's either that or down votes. It is difficult to call out bad behavior by government.

True. It's quite telling that as soon as it was morning in India this post fell off the top page.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by hashhar » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 5:34 AM UTC

windex wrote: post #165

ffiw wrote: post #153

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You won't get a reply. For presenting any evidence like that on /r/india you would be promptly get banned. These guys ruined /r/india it's now full of anti modi bhajan 24/7. The only reason I still stick with reddit is because of some technical subs like /r/programming. Now these people aren't leaving even hacker news.

Modi is India's Trump I hear. Lot of similarities except for the genocide.

The governemnt is making large scale detention centers though.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by eklavya » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 5:34 AM UTC

AmericanChopper wrote: post #55

0xFFFE wrote: post #50

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So if this not a protest against the farm bill, they should drop the facade then. > you’ll find plenty of morally righteous violent resistance. Sure, but we should have a sense of proportion here. Supreme court is hearing the case and the Govt has agreed to put the new law on hold for 1.5 years. Why not wait for Supreme court's judgement? How do you justify blocking highways for over 2 months causing great economic d…

> So if this not a protest against the farm bill, they should drop the facade then. The protest is against the farm Bill, which is seen as a further act of oppression against minority groups, from a government formed to serve only Hindu India. The agriculture industry in India is dominated by minorities, mainly Sikhs, and mainly Punjabis. The aggrieved parties here see this as an act of economic oppression, and if yo…

Sorry no, largest producer of wheat is Madhya Pradesh and not Punjab. Punjab has the richest farmers though.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by hashhar » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 5:36 AM UTC

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #173

> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?

They counter for it pulling on religion and hyper-nationalistic views like banning beef, uniform civil laws (even though almost each religion has their own including Hindus).

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by eklavya » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 5:37 AM UTC

davchana wrote: post #162

eklavya wrote: post #159

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Modi bhakts would be on the side of sikhs surely. Sikh community is the reason Hinduism survives in large parts of India. The people you are calling “sikhs” were throwing policemen off heights. Do they get to kill without impunity? What are you defending here exactly?

Please read again. I said, that violence is the reason 100s of people are in delhi jail now (guilty or not). & Please read again. Modi Bhakats are wishing the 1984 style sikh killings, same as their Mother india's murder started. They are not on sides of Sikh, or Muslim, or even Indian. They want India to be a piss drinker's Hindu Rashtar. I am defending & one of those group, who want India, its government & operatin…

Sources, sources and not your disgustingly twisted propaganda. Who is wishing Sikh killings? God stop it.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 5:39 AM UTC

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #173

> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by eklavya » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 5:41 AM UTC

kamaal wrote: post #168

eklavya wrote: post #144

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Yes, why counter with facts when you can say it’s just “common knowledge”. I will not try to talk you out of your beliefs. But I can assure you from first hand extensive experience, RSS is not “nazi”. You are making extraordinary claims at least specify one “admiring and continue to admire” source.

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What would those policies be?

Why do you assume I am nazi or nazi like? Sorry, that’s very disgusting of you.

What part about my being are you trying to draw attention to. Stop bullying people.