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Dude, you really think, we Indians cant govern ourselves, I mean what is this calling your representatives. I think anytime anything happens to some minority in the the Great USA, us Indians also need to call our MP and ask them to create noise. I mean this is utterly condescending and racist.
I thought they are asking them to write to their Indian reps. If that's not true, then it's outright interference.
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Dude, which media houses are controlled by the government? can we stop with this meme? NDTV, the times group all of the influential media houses oppose the government. So pray tell me which media exactly is controlled by the government?
When I think of media groups with anti-govt stand, NDTV and Telegraph are the only ones I can think of. Every one else seems to be part of the govt - media nexus or is central leaning.
I am not railing against these media houses, it is their choice, but this meme that the government is controlling whatsapp, facebook, media etc needs to stop.
No one talks about what congress was doing with cambridge analytics, its like everyone thinks they are the underdogs now. Congress ruled india for 60 years. In fact they were the system.
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Once the mandis are gone, what prevents a monopolized market from then strong-arming farmers into bad deals? Farmers do not have leverage to negotiate good deals with big corps, and when the mandis eventually die away (simply due to this bill); they will be forced to enter into exploitative deals. EDIT > But can ONLY sell the produce to the local Mandi. This is factually incorrect. Only about 30% of produce is sold i…
> Once the mandis are gone Where are the mandis going? If they are non-competitive, they are out. But if they lose their non-sense and compete, they can be around. Also, the people working at the Mandis (Mandi employees), they are also free to start their own company that compete with the Mandis. > what prevents a monopolized market from then strong-arming farmers into bad deals? This law, which prevents monolopy. Th…
They would be non-competitive because of the no taxation clause that the bill has -- allowing big corp to undercut the mandis. Not to mention that corps are known to take losses just to establish market monopoly (see Jio).
> But in Punjab where they are there, no one is allowed.
I don't understand why you cite the mandi as a monopoly, when in the existing system a farmer can choose to sell anywhere they want?
Let the big corps procure from the farmers, at a "competitive price" as you say. Why should they deserve tax breaks?
The fact of the matter is that the mandi is desirable and has contributed to the material success of Punjab's farmers. There is no doubt that there are inefficiencies and leakages, but to do away with them in deference to the gods of the "free market" is a bit questionable. Unrelated quote: "the quality of public education might not be very good, but that doesn't mean we do away with it".
As for your comparison with other states, I would recommend you check out this article: https://www.hindustantimes.com/opinion/why-punjab-should-not...
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> Even if reliance gets to benefit, is the farmer being harmed for it? Poor farmer has a lot to gain from this bill. They get supply of funds right from by muting seeds and fertilisers to having assured income. Just paint the “industrialist” as the monster and destroy away? Do you miss out on the huge number of HN discussions talking about the damaging effects of monopolization by BigTech players? Now imagine if you'…
So you sell in the old mandi system? Which had the monopoly until now.
> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?
Not BJP fanatic, but as I see these laws. These are pro-farmer and anti-madis laws. There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. I wrote posts on it : https://iamamitmurari.medium.com/farm-laws-farmer-issues-and...
Those in their stead conspire to do price rigging, and wash produce down the drain.
The recent sugar, wheat tomato, onion shortages were due to them doing exactly that.
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This forum is a product of VCs and big tech. A huge portion of Silicon Valley wealth comes from enslaving and subjugating Asia. This audience is probably the people who need to hear it most, but also the audience that it would upset the most. When did hacker culture evolve from loving technology and rebelling against the establishment into placing profits above human lives? Is a nice tech salary all it takes to purch…
Does a US company contracting with say a Chinese company to produce its products help or hurt Chinese workers? I think it would help Chinese workers by increasing employment in China and generally improving the Chinese economy.
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Not BJP fanatic, but as I see these laws. These are pro-farmer and anti-madis laws. There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. I wrote posts on it : https://iamamitmurari.medium.com/farm-laws-farmer-issues-and...
> There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. This is factually incorrect [1]. Only about 30% [2] of produce is sold in mandis. Any anti-mandi law is essentially an anti-farmer law; because mandis act as a safety net for farmers. No farmer can negotiate good deals with big corp, and once the buyer side is monopolized (ala Jio);…
https://finshots.in/archive/agriculture-will-never-be-the-sa...
Dude, you really think, we Indians cant govern ourselves, I mean what is this calling your representatives. I think anytime anything happens to some minority in the the Great USA, us Indians also need to call our MP and ask them to create noise. I mean this is utterly condescending and racist.
> I mean this is utterly condescending and racist. There is nothing racist about the international community raising concerns about violations of basic democratic rights such as free speech and right of assembly. > I think anytime anything happens to some minority in the the Great USA, us Indians also need to call our MP and ask them to create noise. I would support Indians doing this. Please raise concerns with your…
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> Once the mandis are gone Where are the mandis going? If they are non-competitive, they are out. But if they lose their non-sense and compete, they can be around. Also, the people working at the Mandis (Mandi employees), they are also free to start their own company that compete with the Mandis. > what prevents a monopolized market from then strong-arming farmers into bad deals? This law, which prevents monolopy. Th…
> Where are the mandis going? If they are non-competitive, they are out. They would be non-competitive because of the no taxation clause that the bill has -- allowing big corp to undercut the mandis. Not to mention that corps are known to take losses just to establish market monopoly (see Jio). > But in Punjab where they are there, no one is allowed. I don't understand why you cite the mandi as a monopoly, when in th…
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> There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. This is factually incorrect [1]. Only about 30% [2] of produce is sold in mandis. Any anti-mandi law is essentially an anti-farmer law; because mandis act as a safety net for farmers. No farmer can negotiate good deals with big corp, and once the buyer side is monopolized (ala Jio);…
This is assuming that Mandis work as expected which is not always true. In reality, there is corruption and gaming the system. While these laws to incentivise alternative markets, they do not abolish Mandis. https://finshots.in/archive/agriculture-will-never-be-the-sa...
As for the shtick that they will not abolish mandis, that is already demonstrably untrue [1]. It is trivial to observe that big corp will utterly destroy them and then coerce farmers into bad contracts when they have no alternative.
As for your argument that the "free market" will improve the situation, for the record, it has been done before and has miserably failed. [2]
For posterity, I would recommend that you don't cite sources that are essentially blog posts with zero data or theory. I might as well cite the Communist Manifesto then. There is actual serious work on this matter.
[1]: https://www.newsclick.in/Fallout-Farm-Laws-New-Laws-Paralyse...
[2]: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/agriculture/bihar-scrapp...