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GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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That one really really really pissed me off because it’s a task I expect to do tens of times a day. Also it has some serious focus loss issues in that space where you’ll have to tab or click something again. I must have installed a Linux distribution 100 times with the intent of using it as a desktop and lasted less than a day every time. I’ve been doing it since 1998. Literally something that horrible punches me in…

> I bought a Mac now. I’m too old for the fight. I said the same a decade ago. As of last week, I'm back on X11... chipping away at configs for hours and hours and hours. But I have libnotify popups now. :D

And if it goes like it did for me, that smile will turn upside down in a month and you'll format your Linux partition and move to WSL2 on Windows even if you haven't used it in 20 years. That's it, I'm done.

At least now I only have to put up with a slightly dated and crufty interface but I can use my PC to full potential - gaming AND work AND working bluetooth. Crazy huh?

In my case, I also managed to notice that my computer is much faster than it ever was on Linux, which is nice. If I had an old Core 2 Duo Linux would make it fly, but alas, I can afford a modern PC.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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You will find lots of such examples of a feature which you personally find very important and wonder why such a simple thing is not supported yet. I guess everyone has such examples. And you will also find such examples for MacOSX or Windows. For me personally, I wonder why mouse wheel/scroll acceleration is still not implemented. I implemented it a while ago for Xorg, which is outdated now, and also the maintainer w…

I love Linux desktop but miss these creature comforts too. For me, my biggest input issue is the lack of customisation around trackpad deadzones, i.e. the 15% or so deadzone on the left and right of the trackpad. My trackpad is exactly in the center of my laptop but my palm is usually offset slightly to the left. This means my first interaction with the trackpad often happens in this deadzone area on the left-hand si…

> I love Linux desktop

Which "Linux" desktop are you referring to?

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Yes, and Gnome is in part responsible for a lot of "desktop" issues with linux. Distros must switch to KDE by default to help eliminate part of this stigma. KDE is so amazingly good that there is no excuse to keep using Gnome.

My personal opinion is that KDE is less polished, more bloated (in terms of features and options), and slower than GNOME.

That was my opinion as well until about 4 month ago when I actually seriously tried an up to date KDE for the first time in years. Turns out I was completely wrong.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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>trying to hijack the project, and getting stalled half-way because of popular pushback Again, please do not spread these unfounded conspiracy theories. I can explain more what I mean by this, but it seems unlikely you are willing to hear what I have to say. I can tell you if you're trying to convince me to be hostile towards any specific developers for any specific project, I will have to decline to get involved wit…

It's not a conspiracy theory. GNOME 2 was a project of 100+ developers. TOPAZ was a half-baked tablet UI tech demo from a dozen Red Hat employed devs, later dropping to 7-9 regularly active ones. Tell me what is more to explain about this?

There was a story recently, On the Graying of Gnome, comment by boudewijnrempt [1]:

> The reason is simple: Nokia. Nokia (and to a much lesser extent, Intel) built up a lot for Maemo and Meego. Just for KOffice/Calligra, at least twenty people were paid to work on the documents application. For all of Maemo/Meego, the total number of people Nokia funded was enormous.

> And then Elop, and the burning platform, and Windows, and well, that was 2012.

> By 2014, my company was dead, amongst others, and, yeah, the peak had peaked, and the big chance for free software had gone.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25489580

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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You will find lots of such examples of a feature which you personally find very important and wonder why such a simple thing is not supported yet. I guess everyone has such examples. And you will also find such examples for MacOSX or Windows. For me personally, I wonder why mouse wheel/scroll acceleration is still not implemented. I implemented it a while ago for Xorg, which is outdated now, and also the maintainer w…

> And you will also find such examples for MacOSX or Windows. If anyone wonders, here are three from Mac last I used it: - fn took the place of ctrl on the laptop (but not the full keyboard). Unlike on Dell and Lenovo who also has this problem it could not be remapped neither at boot nor in the OS. - CMD - tab forced me to think ahead of time if I want to change to the last application or the last window of the same…

Things that annoy me on mac: - there's no volume mixer (each app having an individual volume slider) - no window snapping (before I bought BetterTouchTool, which includes window snapping, I had windows everywhere and it was just a mess) - column view in Finder is nice, it would be really useful to pick a new "root" folder for the viewer, or to move one directory up from the "root"

Things that annoy me on windows: - No tabs in explorer. Imagine having a web browser that didn't have tabs, that's how bad this is. - No preview in explorer. Mac has this awesome feature where you press space and it gives a quick overview of most files (not only images but also pdfs, .docx, ...). - No column view. Column view makes it much easier to navigate across directories, and back and forth between subdirectories of a root directory.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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GUIs should effectively be finite state machines and people expect them to operate that way. People understand latency and get used to it; it happened on mainframes and other terminal applications and people memorize the state machine and can tab and type through an interface at high throughput anyway. One of the most frustrating experiences is related to the OP; reflow in browsers as new elements load making it impo…

The reflow issues as incredible in the Twitter mobile web, at least for me on Firefox for Android. When you go back from seeing a tweet's replies to the main timeline, it might take up to 5 seconds (or even more) to load some UI elements and reach a steady state. It even scrolls to a different point than where you were before!

Yes. Twitter on mobile web seems to have some state of the art ai to reflow the page just when I'm about to press my thumb to read a subthread , like a post or such so I always end up liking the wrong one.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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> On macOS and iOS, it’s not just built into every app, it’s built into the operating system itself. I can't see how it's any more part of "the OS" in MacOS than in Windows? > On Windows, apps need to implement this behaviour manually. Figuring out how to deal with certain file types is not built into every app out of the box. Every app on both Windows and MacOS have to implement most drag & drop handling themselves.…

Text > I can’t see how it’s any more part of “the OS” in MacOS than in Windows? Think of “the OS” as the whole package, not just “system components and software other than user-installed applications”. Because it’s implemented at the system framework level, and there’s basically only three system frameworks for developing macOS apps — Cocoa, UIKit for Mac, and SwiftUI — and two of them call into the other. That means…

> Some parts of Windows are UWP. Some are Win32. Some are WPF. None of them can be expected to behave identically. Many of them don’t behave the same way as basic system apps. Explorer behaves nothing like Settings.

As far as I know there is only one one system for drag & drop so while it's certainly true that apps look like a mix of of every framework on earth, I don't think this makes drag & drop any less a core OS feature on Windows. Dragging from UWP to WPF to WinUI to Win32 works just as well as between two apps of the same kind (As far as I'm aware). Of course since there ARE no "standard drag & drop" thing - e.g. because text snippets aren't draggable so it's only app-specific objects that can be dragged.

> These are not rare edge cases — these are buttons, text fields, text areas, image wells, and all the other basic components that make up the majority of apps.

Maybe there are interaction modes I'm not aware of but apart from dropping text into text fields which basic components actually give meaningful default interactions? Dropping text or images into a document needs a per-app implementation just like the mp3 in Audacity. Can you give an example that isn't just a text field? For example what's the typical use case for dropping something on a button?

> just believe user interfaces whose purposes only cover two of four letters in CRUD (specifically [C]reate for saving a file and [R]ead for opening one) should avoid being destructive.

The topic of this post is "why are there no thumbnails in the gtk filepicker"? The anwer is that there is a thumbnail system in the explorer (nautilus) but the developers chose NOT to use the explorer component in the file picker. So the capabilities for browsing files diverged and would require duplicated effort to do what people expect from Nautilus, inside the filepicker. This had also happened in Windows - and this I assume is why explorer is now part of the FileDialogs in Windows. I don't mind it being a full file browser experience (I like it) and I also think it's pretty easy to rationalize the decision to make use of the system wide file browsing experience here. No windows user ever expected anything else. I'd always want my file open dialog to accept a dragged file to mean "move/copy file there". But I'd also gladly take a drop on the path part to mean "change location".

> Why are there non-destructive and destructive file dialogs? Why are destructive ones the most common?

There are older and newer APIs, even within the same frameworks since Win32 2020 is different from Win32 1990. A new app showing a file dialog would typically get the "new" one. An old app making a call to show a file dialog will always get the old one - even on a new version of windows. The reason they can't just redirect those calls to show the new one, is because these are objects that the app can also modify/customize the dialog with code that doesn't make sense for the next gen dialog. So all generations of the APIs and all the appearances of the dialogs must remain available otherwise those apps would risk breaking. E.g. a 90's AutoCad would hijack the window area and render a preview of the drawing to the right of the file list. In the modern dialog such previews are handled by explorer plugins instead of a hack to draw a picture in the dialog surface itself. But obviously that 90's AutoCad program isn't changing, and must continue to run forever. So it gets the old dialog. And obviously between different toolkits the dialogs could change just like between Cocoa and something else.

Of course, ALL file dialogs allow selecting any file and deleting/renaming it - so they are all 100% "destructive" and all have both "U" and "D" in CRUD if you want, apart from handling the job of selecting a file name. I'm not sure whether the older ones handle drag-drop or not (good question). If they do, I'm pretty sure they do exactly what the new one does, i.e. actually move/copy a file into the filesystem at the shown location.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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This, lack of thumbnails, has annoyed me too, for years.

If you're used to GNOME, might I suggesting a fork? elementary OS has thumbnails for years: https://imgur.com/a/7JlJCnN

Why is there a metric ton of whitespace between the image and the label? Why doesn't anyone care about pleasant design in the Linux world? It's arguably the reason one would pick Elementary OS, yet this is the result.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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> Free software development is not a democracy, and does not get driven by polls. Features and bugs are introduced by those who show up, within a community that works towards a shared goal. And it is exactly to let themselves yell that, they work hard to alienate few normal devs left in the project. I understood now that Gnome 3.0 was from the start Redhat's fully intentional attempt to appropriate the project, and i…

Screw Red Hat, the amound of crapware and bad attitudes coming from them is astounding. And of course, since they have big bucks, it gets shoved down everyones' throats.

The amount of their contributions is astounding https://www.redhat.com/en/about/open-source-program-office/c...
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