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Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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So, you're telling me the response had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that almost all the 1/6 "protestors" were white, that that was just a coincidence ? You're gonna have to provide more than "could it be," and "perhaps," if you want me to swallow that line.

I was just giving you plausible explanations. But sure it's always easy to say "X" got away with this because of white privilege. I don't think that Mayor Bowser refused to get additional law enforcment because of white privilege.

Given the difference between the two types of protestors, Occam's Razor leads us to the obvious conclusion. Now, I say again, if you want to claim it wasn't white privilege, I'm still gonna need more than "could it be the case," and "perhaps."

Are you actually trying to make that claim or just arguing for the sake of arguing?

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Sorry, but no. CNN, MSNBC, etc are far from perfect, but let's not pretend that "both sides are as bad as each other". Fox (to say nothing of the absolute swamp that is OANN or Newsmax) are an order of magnitude worse than the so called "left" channels (only in the US would CNN be considered a left wing news channel). The reason that CNN, etc are "biased" against Trump is because reality is bisaed against Trump. He's…

"Only in the US" is only what matters when discussing US politics. Who cares what a news channel is considered in some other country? And yes, all the news channels are equally terrible. This is not at all hard to find, but it may be hard to accept.

> “Only in the US" is only what matters when discussing US politics.

And only in the US would someone be so insular as to make such a statement :)

The US is still the largest economy in the world. As much as the rest of us would love to turn a blind eye when they elect an incompetent sociopath, unfortunately, we have to deal with his bullshit.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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post #410

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Can you point me to a source on how Giuliani "meaningfully facilitated illegal insurrection against a peaceful transition"? I can't name democrats who facilitated ilegal insurrection in regards to this past election, but I can name democrats who facilitated illegal insurrection against their own communities after the George Floyd incident. The democrats who refused to call out rioting and looting (as a separate incid…

> Giuliani "meaningfully facilitated illegal insurrection against a peaceful transition"? I think it takes a particularly steelman interpretation to see the content of Giuliani's "trial by combat" speech as not insurrectionist. “So let’s have trial by combat! I’m willing to stake my reputation, the president is willing to stake his reputation on the fact that we’re going to find criminality there.” > last summer Sure…

First off, thank you for providing your sources. I wasn't aware of Giuliani's speech before you posted. Now, on to your points.

> But I find it fallacious in the extreme to equate reducing a police budget with insurrection.

It's not just the reduction of the NYC police budget that I am referring to as insurrection. It's the post-George-Floyd rioting, and the extreme comments made by certain leaders of these movements that I see as insurrectionist. In many cities across the country, government buildings were vandalised/looted, the Portland Federal courthouse set on fire being an example [1]. In another example, Patrisse Cullors, co-founder of the BLM organization, has referred to herself and another co-founder as "trained marxists", and cites Mao Tse-tung as political inspiration [2][3]. In another case, the BLM Chicago organizer Latrell Allen publicly supported looting, likening it to a form of reparations [4]. And, I want to be clear, I am not criticizing entirety of the BLM movement, simply the factions that have made extreme statements or engaged in violence. Would you classify these as insurrectionist as well?

> the budget cut to NYPD came to about 10% of the budget, which very closely tracks New York's budget shortfall as a result of the Covid exodus from the city

Even taking into the consideration the budget shortfall, the NYPD was defunded significantly out-of-proportion in regards to other agencies. In fact, from your quote alone, it seems like the NYPD bore the entire brunt of the NYC budget shortfall. So even though there was a budget shortfall, I would still consider the NYPD to have been intentionally defunded. FYI, here are statistics on the NYC crime rate after the budget cuts [5].

> But Snoop Dogg doesn't hold nuclear codes, or hold the ear of the person who does.

Yes, thank you, Snoop Dogg indeed doesn't hold the nuclear codes, but celebrities and Hollywood in general holds influence amongst the population, and they certainly hold the ears of politicians as well.

> Even when one takes that statement as charitably as you do, it doesn't help the level of discourse.

I don't think I'm taking the statements charitably, I'm trying to separate analogy from intent; however, I agree that such rhetoric certainly doesn't help discourse. I would even go on to say that in the ears of extremists, such rhetoric is dangerous and provocative. But, in the Bannon quotes you mentioned, I personally don't interpret him as speaking in a literal sense. As someone who occasionally tuned into Bannon's show, Bannon's ultimate objective seems to be to take down the CCP. Since we are already engaged in a political/cyber/information war with China (which hopefully doesn't escalate into a kinetic war), Bannon tends to frame everything leading up to a confrontation with China with war analogies. But again, such rhetoric will not help his cause, and I agree that it can be dangerous.

[1] https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/police-declare-riot-...

[2] (go to 7:03 for the quote) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCghDx5qN4s&feature=emb_titl...

[3] https://www.dazeddigital.com/politics/article/39587/1/black-...

[4] https://www.wbez.org/stories/winning-has-come-through-revolt...

[5] https://abc7ny.com/nyc-crime-shooting-nypd-defund-the-police...

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

#534
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The headline has important context: “YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel hours after Rudy Giuliani appeared on an episode and blamed the Capitol siege on Democrats” At some point the lies need to stop.

> At some point the lies need to stop.

So you cannot tell lies on the internet? What happens to religion, then?

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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I'm not even in the US, but all of this banning makes me really curious about what's being banned and why. Something that some of you may have missed: This banning thing already moved into the infrastructure/cloud services layer (AWS): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25707959

The AWS banning is what really concerns me. It's a clear escalation. First it's the app level (breached by Apple and Google), then the infrastructure level (breached by AWS - although there are alternatives here. Next up is DNS, I guess? And after that, routing. The ultimate Internet Death Penalty.

If you think AWS banning is bad

https://www.digitalocean.com/blog/digitaloceans-position-on-...

Other services include Twilio, Okta Zendesk, Sendgrid, Stipe, etc.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

#536
post #21

The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

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Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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post #259

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So because some people at the entire rally were armed means everyone storming the capitol was also armed? I’ve heard that very same bad statistics argument used as to why trump lost the election. Causation != correlation. I did not see any overt firearms or weapons on the people storming the capitol building. It will be hard, because it goes against your beliefs.. but I challenge you to find those armed people in the…

For the people who did not storm the capitol building, sure, but a lot of jurisdictions have laws where everyone involved is responsible for the worst that the group does, so getaway drivers don't get off Scott free if one of their mates murders somebody during a robbery. If there was somebody armed during this crime, they should all be held responsible for it

Aka "felony murder".

I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, in some circumstances, a group of people that commit a felony during which someone dies, can all be charged with murder, even if none of them intended to kill and only one of them actually did.

This is kind of controversial and not the case in all jurisdictions.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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post #466

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> I am just explaining the psychology of how people can get swept up in the fervor of crowds. So, “Whoopsie! I accidentally entered the Capitol through that broken window and got peer pressured right into the Senate?”

People do get dumb in mobs, so that could be true

It’s pretty wild that statements like “people do dumb things in mobs” are controversial depending on the prism people are looking through

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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One would argue that reasonable people be reasonable. Of course, 1% of trump voters may be giving the 99% a bad name.

This is very true. Tens of thousands of Trump supporters showed up to DC this last week, attending one of several fully-legal, fully-permitted protests. Almost all events and participants were peaceful. A few hundred walked into the capitol complex, and I am guessing most did not initially plan to do so but got caught up in the moment, following those in front of them. Of those few hundred, an even smaller group was…

Just some casual murder and terrorism.

These people look real "caught up in the moment".

https://teddit.net/r/PublicFreakout/comments/kucaz0/the_mome...

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

#540

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The underlying problem with this whole idea of banning "seditious lies/libel" is that it's not strategically consistent. If you ban people (especially political leaders!) from complaining that the election was stolen, what happens is that the next election will definitely be stolen, and no one will be able to do anything about it. Then that whole political side throws their support behind some military figure instead…

People aren't being banned for saying the election was stolen. People are being banned for saying the election was stolen without any credible evidence to support the claim. There is a very important difference there. And if there was any evidence, it would been have presented in one of the ~60 lawsuits that universally got shot down by every single court, appeals court, and the Supreme Court. Because they had no evi…

I might wholly agree with you, but the real question is what happens next time. Perhaps the next claims of a stolen election will also be dismissed by the media and courts as "not credible", censored as "malicious lies" and dangerous "misinformation". How can y'all be so sure that you, or the public at large, will be enabled to tell the difference, when any and all debate about the claim of a stolen election will have been banned at the outset by an overt policy aimed at protecting "the public faith in our democracy"?
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