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Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by Bud »

ars wrote: post #28
bryan0 wrote: post #13

The headline has important context: “YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel hours after Rudy Giuliani appeared on an episode and blamed the Capitol siege on Democrats” At some point the lies need to stop.

I agree lies are bad. But lying is enough to get you banned? All the discussion up to now was "there's no slippery slope, only calls for violence" will get you banned. And now it's slipped to lying will get you banned?

Calling what happened mere "lying" is reductive and completely fails to capture the seriousness of the offense, here.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by gdulli »

ars wrote: post #28
bryan0 wrote: post #13

The headline has important context: “YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel hours after Rudy Giuliani appeared on an episode and blamed the Capitol siege on Democrats” At some point the lies need to stop.

I agree lies are bad. But lying is enough to get you banned? All the discussion up to now was "there's no slippery slope, only calls for violence" will get you banned. And now it's slipped to lying will get you banned?

Lying was allowed because it made Google money, and it would have been unqualifiedly allowed until the end of time if it hadn't started getting people killed.

Rest assured, though, lying will continue to be allowed except for this one lie for this one moment in time until this blows over. Google will be happy to let any content through as long as it makes money and they can get away with it without facing consequences.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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avalys wrote: post #9

Bannon said on this podcast that he would mount Anthony Fauci and Christopher Wray’s “heads on pikes” outside the White House as a “warning to other bureaucrats.” This was a few months ago. I presume he has been saying similar things since then. For years, the defense of these assholes has been “Oh, that’s just rhetoric, it’s not meant to be taken literally.” Well, we’ve just seen what happens when it gets taken lite…

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Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by aeternum »

prawn wrote: post #37
satya71 wrote: post #15

YouTube could take its engagement algorithm down a notch, thus reducing radicalization by many orders of magnitude. Otherwise, it's just playing whack-a-mole.

They could at least shortlist quality content and make only that content eligible for algorithmic recommendations, rather than seemingly all sorts of scraps like now.

How do you quantify quality without manually choosing only a few mainstream content producers?

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by olah_1 »

josephorjoe wrote: post #24
tpmx wrote: post #2

I'm not even in the US, but all of this banning makes me really curious about what's being banned and why. Something that some of you may have missed: This banning thing already moved into the infrastructure/cloud services layer (AWS): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25707959

what’s being banned is systematic destruction of people’s willingness to believe facts in order to support a world view that is inconsistent with facts. why it is being banned is that it has convinced people to attack the government because they believe the government has done things (for example, “stealing elections”) that it has not done. big tech has apparently decided that they do not want to be blamed when the g…

Violent riots have happened many times based on media lies. That part is not novel.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by satya71 »

aeternum wrote: post #44
prawn wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could at least shortlist quality content and make only that content eligible for algorithmic recommendations, rather than seemingly all sorts of scraps like now.

How do you quantify quality without manually choosing only a few mainstream content producers?

Just show people what I watch! Joking aside, I think they have some sharp minds that can tackle this.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by gnusty_gnurc »

avalys wrote: post #9

Bannon said on this podcast that he would mount Anthony Fauci and Christopher Wray’s “heads on pikes” outside the White House as a “warning to other bureaucrats.” This was a few months ago. I presume he has been saying similar things since then. For years, the defense of these assholes has been “Oh, that’s just rhetoric, it’s not meant to be taken literally.” Well, we’ve just seen what happens when it gets taken lite…

I had socialist/communist/anarchist friends throughout college talk about the need to use guillotines.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by tpmx »

tpmx wrote: post #2

I'm not even in the US, but all of this banning makes me really curious about what's being banned and why. Something that some of you may have missed: This banning thing already moved into the infrastructure/cloud services layer (AWS): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25707959

The AWS banning is what really concerns me. It's a clear escalation. First it's the app level (breached by Apple and Google), then the infrastructure level (breached by AWS - although there are alternatives here. Next up is DNS, I guess? And after that, routing. The ultimate Internet Death Penalty.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by throwarayes »

I’m curious what the legal liability is for platforms that host content that “incites violence”[1]

1 - I realize this can range anywhere from emotional calls to protest up to the “clear and imminent danger” doctrine. And the specifics of the “inciting” and context around it certainly matter too.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by kumarvvr »

e40 wrote: post #21

The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

One would argue that reasonable people be reasonable.

Of course, 1% of trump voters may be giving the 99% a bad name.

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