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Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by mschuster91 »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #4

This stuff makes me really, really suspicious. At this point, the reason for deplatforming is that someone accused a bad thing on the opposite party. It would be ludicrous to ban anyone blaming the events at the Capitol on Trump and/or Republicans, even if you earnestly believe that's unfair. There is no objective case for blaming it on anyone except the individuals doing it. Anything beyond that is subjective, and y…

> Are we quite sure we're happy with people losing their income and livelihood and brand and platform, just because the tech companies don't agree with their claims?

Freedom of speech does not equate with freedom of consequences.

And yes, inciting over the course of many weeks [1] an actual coup attempt that only does not end into a bloodbath because a Black cop acted as bait and led the mob away from the Senate chamber so that they could barely evacuate in time [2] should absolutely lead to consequences.

Steve Bannon should be happy he has only lost his Youtube channel and did not get arrested... yet.

As for Youtube, Twitter and Facebook: they are, as corporate entities, members of all our societies - incredibly powerful. Which also means that they have a responsibility towards the societies that allow them to exist. And that responsibility, in my opinion, also entails that people working to destroy society do not get access to the virtual equivalent of a planetwide PA system.

[1]: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/13/business/stop-the-steal-d...

[2]: https://twitter.com/kristin__wilson/status/13482872159028469...

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by glandium »

refurb wrote: post #10
tpmx wrote: post #2

I'm not even in the US, but all of this banning makes me really curious about what's being banned and why. Something that some of you may have missed: This banning thing already moved into the infrastructure/cloud services layer (AWS): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25707959

You make a really good point. It’s basically the Streisand Effect. A bunch of people who didn’t even know who Steve Bannon is are going to go and find out now.

And GP's link, which is about Parler, is another example. I hadn't heard of Parler before it was banned.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by jimmy2020 »

DethNinja wrote: post #8
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #4

This stuff makes me really, really suspicious. At this point, the reason for deplatforming is that someone accused a bad thing on the opposite party. It would be ludicrous to ban anyone blaming the events at the Capitol on Trump and/or Republicans, even if you earnestly believe that's unfair. There is no objective case for blaming it on anyone except the individuals doing it. Anything beyond that is subjective, and y…

Is there any proof they are not already banning left-wing hosts? I feel like at this point they are banning everyone against the status quo. Anyway I feel like this is a blessing in disguise, stuff like this can cause Tech giants to lose huge market share in the long term future. It is good that people are forming other organic communities completely separate from Google/FB/Twitter.

pushing people to form organic communities is conservative populist demand

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Post by LatteLazy »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #4

This stuff makes me really, really suspicious. At this point, the reason for deplatforming is that someone accused a bad thing on the opposite party. It would be ludicrous to ban anyone blaming the events at the Capitol on Trump and/or Republicans, even if you earnestly believe that's unfair. There is no objective case for blaming it on anyone except the individuals doing it. Anything beyond that is subjective, and y…

>There is no objective case for blaming it on anyone except the individuals doing it

I don't think we should be banning anyone. I'm very pro-free speech. I'm not a Conservative or a trumper. I'm a limey brit.

But I don't quite think I'd go as far as you have in the above quote. I think Trumps continued lies and the support of multiple other republicans encouraged and legitimised these actions.

Does that excuse the actions? No.

Does it make them criminally liable? Imho, maybe. Incitement is a thing.

But they certainly can't say "it's not my fault people listened to me". There is a very real need right now for republicans to look at the company they've kept for the last 4 years and do some soul searching.

That would be best for them and for the country even if I don't think failing to do some merits arrest or deplatforming.

This isn't a right/left spat. It's a moral fiber, truth vs lies question. What sort of person does a party member want to be and to be associated with?

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by csa »

tpmx wrote: post #2

I'm not even in the US, but all of this banning makes me really curious about what's being banned and why. Something that some of you may have missed: This banning thing already moved into the infrastructure/cloud services layer (AWS): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25707959

[Note: Trying to present this as factually as possible.]

According to what the companies say:

- The President incited some people last week to engage in violent behavior at and towards Congress.

- There is evidence that further violence is being planned via a variety of platforms.

- The platforms are attempting to limit their exposure to facilitating such actions.

Some people think that the companies have ulterior motives. I will leave it to you to decide what you think the real reasons are.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by disown »

tpmx wrote: post #2

I'm not even in the US, but all of this banning makes me really curious about what's being banned and why. Something that some of you may have missed: This banning thing already moved into the infrastructure/cloud services layer (AWS): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25707959

A stronger element of the power structure is silencing another. It's simple as that. Look at the relentless pro-censorship brigading on most social media. Lots of money, power and influence is being applied here. If this was china or russia, we'd call it a soft "purge". They'd call it promoting "harmony" or "protecting the people". Not sure what we are going to call it.

Seems like whatever battle Trump and his faction was waging behind the scenes the last 4 years failed and he simply failed to win over enough power/influence to his side. We'll never know what really happened, we can just guess.

But feels like history is happening. I don't think any of us have lived to through anything like this. I know I certainly haven't.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by philosopher1234 »

glandium wrote: post #12
refurb wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make a really good point. It’s basically the Streisand Effect. A bunch of people who didn’t even know who Steve Bannon is are going to go and find out now.

And GP's link, which is about Parler, is another example. I hadn't heard of Parler before it was banned.

Yes, there will be a short boost to parler and bannon, and then a long deafening silence. These bans will be effective.
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