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Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by CameronNemo » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 4:00 PM UTC

gameswithgo wrote: post #83

drewg123 wrote: post #50

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What ever happened to the laws of supply and demand? If the demand is high, and the supply is limited, they should be raising their prices. Stockx says an xbox series X is worth $750, a PS5 is worth $950, and a Ryzen 5900X worth $800. Why can't vendors just raise their prices, so I can buy from a retail outlet I trust, rather than a scalper.

I know some of them worry about angering customers by "price gouging", but customers get mad when they can't get the product too. Might as well make money on the anger.

In a way people are getting gouged regardless by competing for a limited quanto. Whoever gets lucky and gets their hands on a unit can just go and upsell it at a higher price

By not increasing their prices AMD is letting the after market have that surplus. Sure they don't need to get their hands dirty (and risk negative PR), but also it means they can't ship as many units or profit as much as they could have.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by 0x64 » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 4:01 PM UTC

As far as manufacturing capacity goes, AMD's GPU and CPU manufacturing is incredibly constrained due to the sheer volume of console SoCs they have to pump out. I believe 80% of their N7 wafer capacity at TSMC is currently dedicated to console SoCs, the remaining 20% being dedicated to CPU and GPU dies.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by zaxcellent » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 4:04 PM UTC

wfleming wrote: post #42

katsura wrote: post #14

There are still no XPS level laptops available with Ryzen CPUs, which makes me so sad. I'd like to upgrade my work machine but I'd prefer not to buy Intel at this time.

Lenovo is selling several of the new T series Thinkpads with Ryzen chips. IHMO something like the T14s is pretty comparable to an XPS, but I don't know what your evaluation criteria are, and I have a personal preference for Thinkpads, so I'm biased.

I just got my T14s that I customized with 32GB, Ryzen 4750u (8c/16t), and the 400nit display (sadly lost the display lottery, but I didn't notice until I checked the part#). However, it took 60+ days to ship as I ordered it Sep 1st. I suppose the shortage of the Ryzen chips mean long delays for Lenovo laptops which are customized as opposed to the preconfigured variants. All of the preconfigured ones had the 250nit screen and 8-16GB however.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by kllrnohj » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 4:06 PM UTC

Retric wrote: post #85

KptMarchewa wrote: post #46

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You can't connect 2+ 4k/60fps monitors to it, which is the only thing I expect from non-gaming GPU, besides being silent.

Dual 4k/60fps is still very niche at this point. Last I checked the cheapest option is to just get 2 x 15$ graphics cards. The next low end graphics card refresh is expected in Q1 which should solve this for you.

How about just dual any monitors? The GT 1030 only has a single HDMI 2.0B port and DVI which I haven't seen on a recent monitor in a while now. So 1 monitor connection from the last 10 years. And no display port connections, which is just wtf.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 4:08 PM UTC

0x64 wrote: post #92

As far as manufacturing capacity goes, AMD's GPU and CPU manufacturing is incredibly constrained due to the sheer volume of console SoCs they have to pump out. I believe 80% of their N7 wafer capacity at TSMC is currently dedicated to console SoCs, the remaining 20% being dedicated to CPU and GPU dies.

Good problem to have from the perspective of AMD shareholders.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by wazoox » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 4:08 PM UTC

ssakamoto wrote: post #35

wazoox wrote: post #22

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I've replaced my aging and failing 2013 XPS with a Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540, cheap and slightly bigger but has a second internal M.2 slot, SD card slot, RAM upgraded to 32GB, and full size HDMI and USB A connectors for less than 900€. I'm happy with the upgrade, even if this machine won't last as long as the XPS (though its full metal case is sturdy enough).

how does the battery fare ?

Supposedly 8 hours running Windows but removing Windows was my first action; about 5 hours under Linux (running Pop_OS 20.10 with 5.8 kernel). Everything works great under Linux but the driverless fingerprint reader. Also you need to install manually a dkms for the Wifi, but everything's fine and fast afterwards (actually reaching 600 Mbps with Wifi).

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by Retric » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 4:11 PM UTC

kllrnohj wrote: post #94

Retric wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dual 4k/60fps is still very niche at this point. Last I checked the cheapest option is to just get 2 x 15$ graphics cards. The next low end graphics card refresh is expected in Q1 which should solve this for you.

How about just dual any monitors? The GT 1030 only has a single HDMI 2.0B port and DVI which I haven't seen on a recent monitor in a while now. So 1 monitor connection from the last 10 years. And no display port connections, which is just wtf.

Even cheap 4K monitors like Samsung UR55 (260$) can handle DVI.

You can go DVI to HDMI with either a 5$ adapter or a single DVI to HDMI cable. Only real difference is DVI doesn’t carry sound, but as long as one monitor has sound that’s irrelevant.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by mox1 » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 4:13 PM UTC

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #95

0x64 wrote: post #92

As far as manufacturing capacity goes, AMD's GPU and CPU manufacturing is incredibly constrained due to the sheer volume of console SoCs they have to pump out. I believe 80% of their N7 wafer capacity at TSMC is currently dedicated to console SoCs, the remaining 20% being dedicated to CPU and GPU dies.

Good problem to have from the perspective of AMD shareholders.

Well...maybe. I'm sure they are leaving some revenue on the table short term here. I'm sure they make more $$ per unit on their Retail CPU's and GPU's.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by toopok4k3 » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 4:13 PM UTC

eloff wrote: post #24

freedomben wrote: post #11

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Yeah this has been a huge problem for me too. I'm about to just go Intel instead. I hope they ramp up production and don't miss out because I think a strong AMD would be a good thing. I can't wait forever to build my new rig though and I've been using Intel for decades so I have confidence in it. Excited to go AMD but I am building a new rig for a reason (my old one is in its death throes and I use this thing all day…

My old desktop is still a beast with a 10 core Xeon and 128GB of ram. I'm investing in a new rig to speed up my rust compiles. The current machine is 4 years old now, so I can afford to wait a few months for a build that will last me that long.

Do you actually get real RoI on that thing? Must have cost magnitudes more than normal desktop hardware. Or is this where you just accept that it's worth it purely for tingling the geek inside you?

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by einpoklum » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 4:14 PM UTC

From the article:

> ... going by sales figures from one major European retailer... German retailer MindFactory... AMD sold 35,000 units ... whereas Intel ... just over 5,000 units

So, this story is a a small sample. It might be true generally, I can't say but the title is somewhat misleading.