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Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by KptMarchewa » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 3:30 PM UTC

freedomben wrote: post #11

eloff wrote: post #3

What sales, they hardly had any stock available. I've been trying since the release to get my hands on a Ryzen 5900x and they're sold out everywhere. I'm trying to get on a waiting list for it now, fingers crossed that they can deliver before the new year.

Yeah this has been a huge problem for me too. I'm about to just go Intel instead. I hope they ramp up production and don't miss out because I think a strong AMD would be a good thing. I can't wait forever to build my new rig though and I've been using Intel for decades so I have confidence in it. Excited to go AMD but I am building a new rig for a reason (my old one is in its death throes and I use this thing all day…

>I hope they ramp up production

Every high-performance CPU released lately uses TSMC for manufacturing, which can't keep up with demand.

See Playstation 5/Xbox shortages, Ryzen and Radeon shortages. I think only Apple was able to secure enough manufacturing.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by wfleming » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 3:31 PM UTC

katsura wrote: post #14

There are still no XPS level laptops available with Ryzen CPUs, which makes me so sad. I'd like to upgrade my work machine but I'd prefer not to buy Intel at this time.

Lenovo is selling several of the new T series Thinkpads with Ryzen chips. IHMO something like the T14s is pretty comparable to an XPS, but I don't know what your evaluation criteria are, and I have a personal preference for Thinkpads, so I'm biased.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by leoedin » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 3:31 PM UTC

war1025 wrote: post #36

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #28

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>Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540 Too bad that, like most Ryzen laptops, it only has a HDMI 1.4 port just like every Lidl/Aldi discount bin laptop from 2012, so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor, which is laughable for a device that costs almost a thousand bucks. HDMI 2.0 devices have been on the market since like 2016 already. I don't know why all OEMs gimp the Ryzen variants like this. It's either they have slo…

> so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor Maybe my eyes just aren't that good, but I really can't see why I would need 4k over standard HD, which gives me plenty of screen real estate and a perfectly fine picture.

4K is 4x the pixels of standard HD. You can fit 4 HD windows next to each other. That's a huge difference! Any work with spreadsheets or multiple window code comparison benefits tremendously.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by ChuckNorris89 » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 3:31 PM UTC

war1025 wrote: post #36

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540 Too bad that, like most Ryzen laptops, it only has a HDMI 1.4 port just like every Lidl/Aldi discount bin laptop from 2012, so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor, which is laughable for a device that costs almost a thousand bucks. HDMI 2.0 devices have been on the market since like 2016 already. I don't know why all OEMs gimp the Ryzen variants like this. It's either they have slo…

> so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor Maybe my eyes just aren't that good, but I really can't see why I would need 4k over standard HD, which gives me plenty of screen real estate and a perfectly fine picture.

I don't see why your preferences should have an impact on my needs for 4k screens or vice-versa.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by mikepurvis » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 3:32 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #28

wazoox wrote: post #22

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I've replaced my aging and failing 2013 XPS with a Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540, cheap and slightly bigger but has a second internal M.2 slot, SD card slot, RAM upgraded to 32GB, and full size HDMI and USB A connectors for less than 900€. I'm happy with the upgrade, even if this machine won't last as long as the XPS (though its full metal case is sturdy enough).

>Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540 Too bad that, like most Ryzen laptops, it only has a HDMI 1.4 port just like every Lidl/Aldi discount bin laptop from 2012, so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor, which is laughable for a device that costs almost a thousand bucks. HDMI 2.0 devices have been on the market since like 2016 already. I don't know why all OEMs gimp the Ryzen variants like this. It's either they have slo…

I can't find it listed on the website, but does it really not have a USB-C/Thunderbolt port? My XPS connects out to a dock via USB-C that then goes to two displays, one on HDMI and the other on displayport. I assumed this kind of setup was fairly standard, but that's awful if Intel is using their muscle to prevent it on non-Intel HW.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by KptMarchewa » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 3:32 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #31

kllrnohj wrote: post #13

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It's mostly that there isn't a cheap discrete GPU worth buying. So if you're doing a software development rig, where yes those 12 or 16 cores will be put to good use, you're stuck with spending $100+ on a new GPU that'll spend its entire life idling or scrounging the used markets. The low-end discretes are crap rebranded from 5+ years ago. Which means outdated display connections and bad hardware video decoders.

I think we underestimate (or, overestimate) low end GPUs. a geforce 1030 will be adequately taxed on desktop loads: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gt-1030.c2954 Can get them for 40eur, they barely do 1080p.

You can't connect 2+ 4k/60fps monitors to it, which is the only thing I expect from non-gaming GPU, besides being silent.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by leetcrew » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 3:32 PM UTC

war1025 wrote: post #36

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540 Too bad that, like most Ryzen laptops, it only has a HDMI 1.4 port just like every Lidl/Aldi discount bin laptop from 2012, so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor, which is laughable for a device that costs almost a thousand bucks. HDMI 2.0 devices have been on the market since like 2016 already. I don't know why all OEMs gimp the Ryzen variants like this. It's either they have slo…

> so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor Maybe my eyes just aren't that good, but I really can't see why I would need 4k over standard HD, which gives me plenty of screen real estate and a perfectly fine picture.

how big is your monitor? to me, 4K is noticeably better than 1440p on a 27" monitor, especially for rendering text. 1440p is certainly acceptable at that size, but my guess is it would look quite bad on anything >30".

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by secondcoming » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 3:33 PM UTC

katsura wrote: post #14

There are still no XPS level laptops available with Ryzen CPUs, which makes me so sad. I'd like to upgrade my work machine but I'd prefer not to buy Intel at this time.

Indeed, same with Precision laptops. I unfortunately had time limits and had to bite the bullet with Intel. Gutted.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by bserge » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 3:34 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #28

wazoox wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've replaced my aging and failing 2013 XPS with a Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540, cheap and slightly bigger but has a second internal M.2 slot, SD card slot, RAM upgraded to 32GB, and full size HDMI and USB A connectors for less than 900€. I'm happy with the upgrade, even if this machine won't last as long as the XPS (though its full metal case is sturdy enough).

>Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540 Too bad that, like most Ryzen laptops, it only has a HDMI 1.4 port just like every Lidl/Aldi discount bin laptop from 2012, so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor, which is laughable for a device that costs almost a thousand bucks. HDMI 2.0 devices have been on the market since like 2016 already. I don't know why all OEMs gimp the Ryzen variants like this. It's either they have slo…

"AMD is for budget devices"... Sadly, that's what marketing says. I don't understand how these people have a job at big companies, or anywhere really lol

XMG (Clevo/Schenker/Sager/Eurocom/etc) has the best Ryzen laptop I've seen yet, although I don't really like their quality: https://www.xmg.gg/en/xmg-apex-15

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by drewg123 » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 3:34 PM UTC

enlyth wrote: post #21

eloff wrote: post #3

What sales, they hardly had any stock available. I've been trying since the release to get my hands on a Ryzen 5900x and they're sold out everywhere. I'm trying to get on a waiting list for it now, fingers crossed that they can deliver before the new year.

It's quite frustrating that this is becoming the norm, whether it be the 3XXX Nvidia cards, Playstation 5s, Ryzen CPUs, why is it that no hardware company can keep up with demand these days?

What ever happened to the laws of supply and demand? If the demand is high, and the supply is limited, they should be raising their prices. Stockx says an xbox series X is worth $750, a PS5 is worth $950, and a Ryzen 5900X worth $800. Why can't vendors just raise their prices, so I can buy from a retail outlet I trust, rather than a scalper.