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Diego Maradona has died

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Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Hey, as you go on posting irrelevant variations of this, I'm just curious: how old are you? Are you aware that the World existed before the Internet or the year 2000 and that this guy happened to be the best player in the most popular sport in the World who also scored a goal that was considered pretty much impossible until ten years later a dude called Ronaldo (the original one) scored something like it against a mu…

> Are you aware that the World existed before the Internet or the year 2000 This is the weird, obsessive, gatekeeping vibe I'm talking about, as if not knowing one specific person from one specific country makes you utterly ignorant. I don't expect people like you to know about Emmy Noether, even though she was an important figure, and I certainly wouldn't degrade them for not knowing what she accomplished.

Maybe it does. I would consider you utterly ignorant if you didn't know anyone known by several billion people.

There was this concept of general knowledge you used to aspire to which is becoming quickly replaced by the atomization of information among tiny communities which go unaware of each other, this might end up as some postmodern version of the Middle Ages. As I'm old-fashioned I don't think that's a good idea, but folks don't tend to care about general good ideas if they find them personally unpleasant in some way, that's another recent trend.

Oh, I had to become familiar with Emmy Noether BTW, when you do Particle Physics it's hard not to. I can write down the two versions of her most famous theorem we referred to. I think the less useful one was nicely left for you to learn about from a review by Hill from 1951, but I'd have to look it up.

The great thing about having seen grown the Internet when gopher was awe inspiring as a teenager is that you know how to work with books, paper and your memory plus you know all the tricks after having been googling for 22 years. You're also aware of lots of stuff that isn't online yet and where to find it physically. Pretty cool huh? Too bad that's dying.

Do you know anything interesting about say Artin's algebra books now that we've been talking about Emmy? For instance why I'm mentioning Artin? What about that famous Hilbert's actually feminist quip involving Emmy's application? That would have been nice upper level general knowledge for instance, not limited to STEM people.

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In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

I watched this game live in 1986... the atmosphere that day, in that heat and altitude they had to play in, even on the little 14" TV we had in our house was palpable. There was something about the quality of the colors, the weather, the camera work, even to this day you can distinguish the video from the '86 World Cup at a glance of just a couple of seconds. It still brings back such amazing memories from my childho…

I recall watching it at my granny and grandad's house down in Devon. One of the dogs pissed on the TV aerial, which was run up a rubber plant. The colours went a bit odd after that and there was a bit more static on the screen. The game was electric.

Maradona's contribution for the Argies was absolutely awesome. He had style, class, aggression, a massive swagger and an incredible situation awareness. There were another 22 people on the pitch that day but:

There is only one Maradona, one Maradona ...

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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I’m from Argentina, this is a big deal for us. But I’d have never expected to see it in the front page of HN.

You underestimate the love people across the world have for Argentina's football team.

I am from Kerala, India, and here is an article that might help paint the picture: https://bit.ly/33iRqnp .

Also, among many people who are not football fans, Maradona and Pele are the two names they'd know. Check out the crowds at this public event in India when Maradona visited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIdwEZ31tTg

RIP.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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> Are you aware that the World existed before the Internet or the year 2000 This is the weird, obsessive, gatekeeping vibe I'm talking about, as if not knowing one specific person from one specific country makes you utterly ignorant. I don't expect people like you to know about Emmy Noether, even though she was an important figure, and I certainly wouldn't degrade them for not knowing what she accomplished.

Maybe it does. I would consider you utterly ignorant if you didn't know anyone known by several billion people. There was this concept of general knowledge you used to aspire to which is becoming quickly replaced by the atomization of information among tiny communities which go unaware of each other, this might end up as some postmodern version of the Middle Ages. As I'm old-fashioned I don't think that's a good idea…

"General knowledge" only extended to sports figures in the general area you were from, anyway. I wouldn't have known about some Argentine in any event.

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Can someone explain to a soccer novice why this goal is special? It looks similar to lots of others to my untrained eye.

If you ran for a few meters and tried to control a ball at your feet, you'd understand somewhat. Even that is extremely difficult to do well- shifting the ball and keeping it under control of your feet and away from defenders. Now try to imagine people trying to hack you down (totally normal defending back then) and tugging your shirt, in the blazing heat, at altitude, against a team that humiliated your country in a…

And to add to that, those defenders were probably all (much) taller and heavier than Maradona.

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Amazingly similar. I think it is better. Notice how the player that chases him does not slow the pace, but pushes on until he makes a failed attempt to break the play. Speed seems faster too. A good illustration of evolution of the game. Of course, we don't know if Maradona would still have scored with more effort from the English defense, maybe he would. In any case, two great goals.

One was against Getafe in almost-meaningless copa del rey game, the other was against England in a Quarter final game in the WC. Night and day.

I think he is comparing the technical difficulty of a goal, not the context when it was scored.

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after Pele you mean.

Not really. Consensus top 3 is Maradona, with usually Messi and the third more controversial usually goes to one of the Ronaldos or Cruyff.

Ummm... not really. Pelé has some insane stats. Games played, goals scored, trophies won, including 3(!) World Cups.

Almost nobody puts Pelé lower than 3. And Cruyff had a huge influence but he's usually top 10 or so.

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Maybe it does. I would consider you utterly ignorant if you didn't know anyone known by several billion people. There was this concept of general knowledge you used to aspire to which is becoming quickly replaced by the atomization of information among tiny communities which go unaware of each other, this might end up as some postmodern version of the Middle Ages. As I'm old-fashioned I don't think that's a good idea…

"General knowledge" only extended to sports figures in the general area you were from, anyway. I wouldn't have known about some Argentine in any event.

Not even Perón or Carlos Gardel?

Wow.

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Not really. Consensus top 3 is Maradona, with usually Messi and the third more controversial usually goes to one of the Ronaldos or Cruyff.

Ummm... not really. Pelé has some insane stats. Games played, goals scored, trophies won, including 3(!) World Cups. Almost nobody puts Pelé lower than 3. And Cruyff had a huge influence but he's usually top 10 or so.

Some would argue pele only played in south america, it's still hard to skip the three world cups though.

But it seems football is getting more difficult and more mechanic over time, that is why I consider messi as a glitch

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Messi is probably already the best football player of all time. Maradona had more charisma and leadership though.

The difference is that Messi so far failed to deliver a world cup. Just didn't happen. Maradona played a minor role in bringing home the 1978 world cup and took the lead role in closing the deal on the 1986 one. Messi has so far not delivered on that front.

Football is a team sport.
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