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Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by cm2012 » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:10 PM UTC

gus_massa wrote: post #48

In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

Can someone explain to a soccer novice why this goal is special? It looks similar to lots of others to my untrained eye.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by watoc » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:14 PM UTC

nahuel0x wrote: post #139

watoc wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Messi is probably already the best football player of all time. Maradona had more charisma and leadership though.

you compare stats, but there is an immeasurable dimension: heart.

I prefer Maradona but Messi is better and it's not about stats.

You just have to look at any game from the 2010/11 season to realize that.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by jgwil2 » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:17 PM UTC

gus_massa wrote: post #48

In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

Wouldn't be fair to show this one without showing the one that preceded it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ccNkksrfls

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by msla » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:17 PM UTC

julienfr112 wrote: post #135

msla wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am astonished that there are people that have never heard of Maradona. Why would anyone who doesn't follow one very specific sport have heard of that person? Stop being parochial. I never have, but I don't follow rugby.

Or maybe from a place where football is played by armored guys mostly using their hands ?

OK. I've still never heard of this person.

I'm still not sure why everyone assumes everyone else must have heard of this person, and downvotes everyone who hasn't. There's a weird, exclusive, gatekeeping vibe going on here, and it's extremely unwelcoming to people who didn't have a very specific background growing up. My background didn't include whatever sport this person apparently played, so I don't know them, so I'm somehow a bad person? I don't get it.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by msla » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:18 PM UTC

PlugTunin wrote: post #146

msla wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Michael Jordan Who wouldn't belong here, either.

There would not be any place for the news of his passing on Hacker News, if that were to happen?!

No, there wouldn't, or at least shouldn't.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by trianglem » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:21 PM UTC

mellosouls wrote: post #46

A love/hate relationship with the English who I seem to remember voted the infamous Hand of God goal the worst, and the same match's blistering run and finish against them the best ever. Incredible talent, flawed man.

I don’t know much about soccer from that era, why was he a flawed man?

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by rusk » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:22 PM UTC

cm2012 wrote: post #151

gus_massa wrote: post #48

In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

Can someone explain to a soccer novice why this goal is special? It looks similar to lots of others to my untrained eye.

What do you not get? He takes the ball from the half way line on a solo run past 6 of some of the best players in the world and manages to score, while being tackled. I’m not a sports aficionado so struggle to come up with analogy to another sport but let’s just say it’s like reverse engineering an nvidia driver in a few weeks using nothing but vi and hexdump.

This was lauded as goal of the century.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by riffraff » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:23 PM UTC

watoc wrote: post #137

gbaygon wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if you count world cups.

Champions league is by far the best competition in the world. Number of world cups won is not a good criteria.

It is, but Messi didn't win them by himself, he had a stellar team around, which wasn't the case for most of Maradona's wins.

But it was a different football, comparisons are not really meaningful.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by rahoulb » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:24 PM UTC

cm2012 wrote: post #151

gus_massa wrote: post #48

In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

Can someone explain to a soccer novice why this goal is special? It looks similar to lots of others to my untrained eye.

Very few people can control the ball whilst turning as he does at the beginning. And he beats six players, some of the best in the world.

As you get to higher and higher levels of football the quality of the defending increases so being able to play against the opposition as if you were eight is very rare.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by jgwil2 » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:24 PM UTC

cm2012 wrote: post #151

gus_massa wrote: post #48

In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

Can someone explain to a soccer novice why this goal is special? It looks similar to lots of others to my untrained eye.

It's a very good goal because of how many defenders he evades all on his own, but it's considered the "goal of the century" because of the context: a World Cup elimination game against the hated English.