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Diego Maradona has died

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Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by Balgair »

gus_massa wrote: post #48

In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

I may be mistaken, but I believe this is also the 'Gardel Lives!' goal. A radio announcer got a bit excited and started shouting 'Gardel Viva!' into the broadcast for a good while.

Carlos Gardel, the Gardel shouted out, was a the best of all Tango singers and an Argentine legend/national hero [0], dying at 44 in a plane crash. Think someone on the same level as Elvis was to the US.

Sorry that I can't find the broadcast recording of that goal though!

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Gardel

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by dylan604 »

aloukissas wrote: post #12

Imagine if we had this silly VAR technology in the 80s. Then one of the most iconic moments in football history (hand of god) would have been reviewed and dismissed. RIP Diegito

I think you are giving VAR too much credit. There have been some silly silly reviews that VAR has allowed things to stand or not even reviewed.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by pritovido »

Daishiman wrote: post #116

I'll represent the other, unpopular side: the man did as much if not more damage than all the glory he had. As a footballer his career was finished pretty much 30 years ago. He left the '94 World Cup testing positive for drugs in what was a national embarrassment. His career as a manager was a disaster that existed purely off his prior fame. It's an embarrassment that we are unable to move on past things that happene…

I agree with you.

I was in Spain, and Maradona played there while he was not yet the shadow of himself that became later.

Lots of people admired this man but when he started doing stupid things like being totally drunk and stoned on public, most people stopped admiring him in all places but in Argentina.

I traveled to places like Bariloche and specially Buenos Aires for a very sort time,a month or so, and I could not understand almost the deity that such a bad example represented there.

But then an Argentinian friend explained it to me: You do not understand. It was because of the Malvinas, the English, Maradona represented something like a general that won over the same that defeated and humiliated us and so on...

And then it made sense. I had not made the connection before that.

And yes I agree with you that South America in general follows terrible role models. Places like Colombia or Venezuela look like paradise and are extremely wealthy but then the environment is Hell.

It is very interesting that Argentina and Chile are somewhat like the US and Europe but in reverse, the more to the South you go, the more serious people are, only that there is less and less people and land there to become significant.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by balabaster »

gus_massa wrote: post #48

In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

I watched this game live in 1986... the atmosphere that day, in that heat and altitude they had to play in, even on the little 14" TV we had in our house was palpable. There was something about the quality of the colors, the weather, the camera work, even to this day you can distinguish the video from the '86 World Cup at a glance of just a couple of seconds. It still brings back such amazing memories from my childhood - even though we lost. I collected the Panini World Cup stickers religiously and put them all carefully in the sticker album. I was heartbroken to be knocked out by someone I considered to be a massive cheat, but even so, I can't take away from the brilliance of this goal. It was an incredible run. He deserved the goal. I wish I could've said they deserved the game without feeling that tinge of bitterness.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by julienfr112 »

msla wrote: post #123
eatplayrove wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not criticizing or sneering, but I am astonished that there are people that have never heard of Maradona.

> I am astonished that there are people that have never heard of Maradona. Why would anyone who doesn't follow one very specific sport have heard of that person? Stop being parochial. I never have, but I don't follow rugby.

Or maybe from a place where football is played by armored guys mostly using their hands ?

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by edko »

soneca wrote: post #64
anonymfus wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other ways of cheating you listed require preparation which proves intent. Hand usage sometimes happens unintentionally.

Sometimes, but not this one.

True, but it was a split-second decision. Can he really be accused of premeditation?

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by watoc »

gbaygon wrote: post #75
watoc wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Messi is probably already the best football player of all time. Maradona had more charisma and leadership though.

Not if you count world cups.

Champions league is by far the best competition in the world. Number of world cups won is not a good criteria.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by corpMaverick »

Daishiman wrote: post #116

I'll represent the other, unpopular side: the man did as much if not more damage than all the glory he had. As a footballer his career was finished pretty much 30 years ago. He left the '94 World Cup testing positive for drugs in what was a national embarrassment. His career as a manager was a disaster that existed purely off his prior fame. It's an embarrassment that we are unable to move on past things that happene…

I don't disagree with you. But it is not like first world countries are inmune. Just look at a current president whose lies, cheating and incompetence are inexplicably excused by 70 million first world voters.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by brudgers »

mongol wrote: post #70
gus_massa wrote: post #48

In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

This goal was incredible, but with many years passed, it has faded in significance for me. Not sure why, if it is because the game has evolved, or I have seen many other great goals, or something else. But probably because I think the defense was too passive. This goal would not be done today, most probably.

A few years afterwards, the game began speeding up. The goal is from an earlier era. Before the backpassing was outlawed. Before tactical fouls earned a yellow card. Before hacking fell out of the game. One of the remarkable features of the goal is that he avoided being pulled/pushed/kicked down by any of the defenders.

Another remarkable feature is that it happened at 2200m, in July, with 1986 air quality. Futbol in Mexico still looks different because so much of it is played at altitude...and so much of European futbol is played near sea level.

Hopefully, its most remarkable feature will never be surpassed: massive geopolitical significance in the wake of the war in the south Atlantic.

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