I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps • Hacker News Board

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nerdtime » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 8:15 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #610

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Guys don't be stupid. Colloquially we all associate genocide with killings, the oxford definition captures this fact. We all know it, you can look up the formal term but when someone utters the word genocide the last thing they think about is sterilization. They think killings. We all know this by common sense. You guys are using technicalities to further an argument for no reason. In addition to this the technical t…

> Colloquially we all associate genocide with killings, the oxford definition captures this fact. No, we don't, and the Merriam-Webster definition [0] captures this fact: “the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group”. As does the Britannica [1] definition: “the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race.…

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 8:38 PM UTC

ordo_inf wrote: post #381

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As long as 95% of the people in the US keep on buying items with their wallets open, and we're distracted with our own internal strife, what hope is there to counter this? Our leadership certainly isn't up to standing against this sort of thing these days.

Not just the US, China exports stuff everywhere . I think this can be mitigated by making planned obsolescence illegal and somehow forcing companies to maximize quality. We don't need crappy pens, toys, electronics, etc... I don't know about you, but I'm personally happy to own one ballpoint pen that'll last me for 20 years (and only have to refill it from time to time). If anything, just to not see some poor guy wor…

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nerdtime » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 5:09 AM UTC

seppin wrote: post #609

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What's going on here is you're misusing the word genocide. See the comment in the other thread. Genocide is mass killings, not mass sterilizations. If you get very technical you can call a sterilization a killing but that's just a deliberate misuse of the term. When someone hears the word genocide they hear slaughter. They don't hear oh that population was sterilized. Let's not be stupid about this.

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nerdtime » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 5:41 AM UTC

DevKoala wrote: post #565

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I never justified it. Nothing was justified here at all. There was also no argument made by me. Nor did I say you were defending the US. All I asked was a question: What action should you take if there are repeated terrorist acts happening in your country where people are slaughtered by the hundreds? You only know the origin of these terror attacks originate from a specific cultural ethnic group, and you know you nee…

You go after the terrorist organization. Not people who aren’t terrorists. Don’t paint the Uighurs as terrorists. There are millions missing. You tell me they all were a threat to China’s national security? This is the pretext for genocide? How is this a question? “They attacked China with knifes, isn’t China in the right for erasing them out of existence?” This is the worst argument I have seen on Hacker News.

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nendroid » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 3:47 PM UTC

jancsika wrote: post #559

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>Wow, the balls on that question. >And please tell me your imagined design to "quell all terrorism" uses a blockchain. If so, do tell-- really, no detail is too small. You got big balls too. The Terrorism he talks about involves actual human harm and the mass slaughter of hundreds of people in China. And here you are trivializing what he's talking about into an insensitive block chain insult. Might as well just call…

> The Terrorism he talks about involves actual human harm and the mass slaughter of hundreds of people in China. The OP's imagined , unspecified design to "quell all terrorism" necessarily rationalizes the actual harm that a primary source specified and had photographed in this article. Digressing from actual harm of a religious minority being sent to "re-education camps" to instead discuss a utopian thought experime…

Wow the balls on this reply. And the lies. When did the op post about a utopian thought experiment? Never. That paragraph is an outright lie.

Op poses a question to help the reader view the action from a more empathic perspective. The goal is to quell all terrorism in the same sense as to prevent all future mass killings. This is the action any country will take.

The utopian thing comes from your misguided thought process. Rather what is being expressed here is an attempt to convey understanding that china's actions are a survival response to end slaughter and terrorism not an attempt to create a utopia.

It is a reflection of your own insensitivity that you those words didn't trigger empathy but rather all you saw was a "utopian thought experiment". To top it off you made a joke about block chain then tried to hide your true nature with a feigned apology. It's clear you don't give a shit either way.

No need to apologize for being insensitive and lacking empathy. You are what you are.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by frequentnapper » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 7:52 AM UTC

nendroid wrote: post #601

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>When someone bombs your family you take the time to find out why they were bombed and try to understand the otherside before shutting down the otherside. I didn't say I would try to understand the side that bombed my family. Those would be the terrorists. I said I would get to the bottom of what happened and why it happened. I would not condemn an entire people or a culture (unless of course every single one of them…

>I didn't say I would try to understand the side that bombed my family. Those would be the terrorists. I said I would get to the bottom of what happened and why it happened. I would not condemn an entire people or a culture (unless of course every single one of them believed the same thing as the terrorists) to seek some sort of sick justice. Please don't invent things I didn't say. I didn't invent anything you said.…

>I'm not. Show me the pictures and proof of the "genocide" and I'll do a 180. I'll believe you.

>Alright. Show me the pictures of the mass killings and the slaughter that's occurring in China. I want to see pictures of the executions and the graves.

Again you've shown yourself to be no more mature than a sixth grader. First, educate yourself about definition of a genocide. It's not all "mass killings and graves" that you are lusting after. A genocide can be a systematic destruction of a people through incarceration, torture, humiliation, destruction of language, cultural practices etc. simply based on their race, culture, or religion. Same thing that's happening to Uighurs. Vox did an expose a couple months ago using satellite imagery to find hundreds of mass detention and slave labor facilities corroborated by statements from victims.

You really do should do some reading with empathy. Maybe you can learn something: https://www.vox.com/2020/7/28/21333345/uighurs-china-internm...

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 4:03 PM UTC

nendroid wrote: post #601

frequentnapper wrote: post #570

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>When someone bombs your family you take the time to find out why they were bombed and try to understand the otherside before shutting down the otherside. I didn't say I would try to understand the side that bombed my family. Those would be the terrorists. I said I would get to the bottom of what happened and why it happened. I would not condemn an entire people or a culture (unless of course every single one of them…

>I didn't say I would try to understand the side that bombed my family. Those would be the terrorists. I said I would get to the bottom of what happened and why it happened. I would not condemn an entire people or a culture (unless of course every single one of them believed the same thing as the terrorists) to seek some sort of sick justice. Please don't invent things I didn't say. I didn't invent anything you said.…

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nendroid » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 4:03 PM UTC

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>I didn't say I would try to understand the side that bombed my family. Those would be the terrorists. I said I would get to the bottom of what happened and why it happened. I would not condemn an entire people or a culture (unless of course every single one of them believed the same thing as the terrorists) to seek some sort of sick justice. Please don't invent things I didn't say. I didn't invent anything you said.…

>I'm not. Show me the pictures and proof of the "genocide" and I'll do a 180. I'll believe you. >Alright. Show me the pictures of the mass killings and the slaughter that's occurring in China. I want to see pictures of the executions and the graves. Again you've shown yourself to be no more mature than a sixth grader. First, educate yourself about definition of a genocide. It's not all "mass killings and graves" that…

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/genocide

A genocide is systematic destruction of people through killing. That is the oxford official definition and that is the colloquial meaning of the term. When people hear the word they don't think torture, they don't think cultural assimilation, they don't think birth control.

They think slaughter.

Using the word genocide in the way you define it.... makes gitmo become a genocide camp. You're own civilized neighbor the US of A is also basically conducting genocide of middle easterners under your highly convenient definition.

But I don't need to tell you this. You know this already. You throw down that word with the full knowledge that whenever you use that word people will think mass killings. You only fall back on a convenient definition when someone calls you out on the technicality. This is what the articles you read do to manipulate the sentiment, and you accept it because you enjoy calling China a country that is conducting mass genocide. You enjoy perpetuating China with a reputation that is an extreme version of the truth. This is what's going on.

I would tell you to educate yourself but the mind is not only limited by what it is capable of learning but also by genetics. Your limitations are of the latter kind, there is nothing for you to learn because you are already aware of what you're doing.

There's nothing left to argue on the main topic because we both never disagreed that detention camps exist. We can argue about the definition of the word "genocide" and about how your misguided brain works though, I'm sure there's still a disagreement on those two areas.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by jessaustin » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 11:41 PM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #543

ng12 wrote: post #427

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Even on HN all anyone could talk about was how Trump's Trade War was hurting the economy. I thought the trade war was poorly executed but at the same time at least he was doing _something_.

He pulled out of the TPP which was fairly explicitly about containing China. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership Which was failry explicirly aboit containing China.

Opposing Trump Trade War (TTW?) wasn't going to resurrect TPP wasn't going to resurrect TPP. I doubt Biden has the stomach for that either. Most people hate boondoggles, and we've noticed ISDS.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by frequentnapper » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 11:12 AM UTC

nendroid wrote: post #618

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>I'm not. Show me the pictures and proof of the "genocide" and I'll do a 180. I'll believe you. >Alright. Show me the pictures of the mass killings and the slaughter that's occurring in China. I want to see pictures of the executions and the graves. Again you've shown yourself to be no more mature than a sixth grader. First, educate yourself about definition of a genocide. It's not all "mass killings and graves" that…

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/genocide A genocide is systematic destruction of people through killing. That is the oxford official definition and that is the colloquial meaning of the term. When people hear the word they don't think torture, they don't think cultural assimilation, they don't think birth control. They think slaughter. Using the word genocide in the way you define it.... makes gitmo become a gen…

I was going by the UN definition of genocide, according to which Canada also declared it a genocide: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml. Cases b,c,d,e all apply here.

With regards to Gitmo, you are again purposefully lying. There are plenty of arabs and muslims living in USA with no problems. We have comedians (Hasan Minaj) making fun of Trump. Which Chinese, let along uighur, can make fun of Xi in China?

Now since we both agreed that the detention camps exist, and also the women of that group are being sterilized against their will, it meets criteria b, and d of the Genocide under the UN charter.

As for my genes, they're full capable of learning and not limited by brainwashing as you have been subjected to. Sorry for you and the rest of the CCP shills.