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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nendroid »

frequentnapper wrote: post #570
nerdtime wrote: post #481

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>I'm not American so the US-China rivalry comment is not relevant to me. If my family was killed by a bombing attack I would want to get to the bottom of why it happened in the first place without just blaming an entire population and justifying their genocide. When someone bombs your family you take the time to find out why they were bombed and try to understand the otherside before shutting down the otherside. But…

>When someone bombs your family you take the time to find out why they were bombed and try to understand the otherside before shutting down the otherside. I didn't say I would try to understand the side that bombed my family. Those would be the terrorists. I said I would get to the bottom of what happened and why it happened. I would not condemn an entire people or a culture (unless of course every single one of them…

>I didn't say I would try to understand the side that bombed my family. Those would be the terrorists. I said I would get to the bottom of what happened and why it happened. I would not condemn an entire people or a culture (unless of course every single one of them believed the same thing as the terrorists) to seek some sort of sick justice. Please don't invent things I didn't say.

I didn't invent anything you said. I'm telling you what you should do.

>It's not rumours. There is genuine proof. My own government declared it as genocide after investigation (Canada).

Alright. Show me the pictures of the mass killings and the slaughter that's occurring in China. I want to see pictures of the executions and the graves. We have pictures that corroborate the events of Nanking and the holocaust show me the pictures of the genocide that's occurring in China.

>My comment was directed at the Chinese govt and whoever supports them (obviously knowingly). I didn't call his opinion disgusting. Please learn to comprehend at a level above that of the sixth grade.

This whole topic is about a comment calling the original topic disgusting. My comment is defending the original comment. You attacking me is agreeing with the premise. Stay on topic.

>Yeah and you are selectively applying your generosity in trying to understand those you disagree with to whatever suits your needs.

I'm not. Show me the pictures and proof of the "genocide" and I'll do a 180. I'll believe you.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by seppin »

nendroid wrote: post #596
seppin wrote: post #593

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The act of mass sterilization is genocide. Again, you are superimposing a single historical standard that simply doesn't apply here.

Oh. I see. It's an english language problem. Someone doesn't know an english word and is misusing it all over the place. Look up the definition of the word genocide: https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20... Look, mass sterilization is bad. But genocide? Under that logic anyone who ever got an abortion is a killer. Or maybe anyone who wanted to have a baby but changed their mind... Colloquially…

> Look, mass sterilization is bad. But

I'm done here.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by dragonwriter »

nendroid wrote: post #596
seppin wrote: post #593

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The act of mass sterilization is genocide. Again, you are superimposing a single historical standard that simply doesn't apply here.

Oh. I see. It's an english language problem. Someone doesn't know an english word and is misusing it all over the place. Look up the definition of the word genocide: https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20... Look, mass sterilization is bad. But genocide? Under that logic anyone who ever got an abortion is a killer. Or maybe anyone who wanted to have a baby but changed their mind... Colloquially…

> Look, mass sterilization is bad. But genocide?

Yes, it's exactly genocide. Preventing a people from reproducing is quite an effective way of wiping them out as a people.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by detaro »

nendroid wrote: post #596
seppin wrote: post #593

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The act of mass sterilization is genocide. Again, you are superimposing a single historical standard that simply doesn't apply here.

Oh. I see. It's an english language problem. Someone doesn't know an english word and is misusing it all over the place. Look up the definition of the word genocide: https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20... Look, mass sterilization is bad. But genocide? Under that logic anyone who ever got an abortion is a killer. Or maybe anyone who wanted to have a baby but changed their mind... Colloquially…

No, the definition of genocide is not so clear-cut just referring to killing people, and that's not a new definition either. E.g. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide and https://www.un.org/ar/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_anal...

You're massively out of line with "Someone doesn't know an english word and is misusing it all over the place." and "I vote that you're just being manipulative. The rest of your English grammar seems fine, you just want to start something rather than be level headed."

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by [deleted] »

nendroid wrote: post #596
seppin wrote: post #593

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The act of mass sterilization is genocide. Again, you are superimposing a single historical standard that simply doesn't apply here.

Oh. I see. It's an english language problem. Someone doesn't know an english word and is misusing it all over the place. Look up the definition of the word genocide: https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20... Look, mass sterilization is bad. But genocide? Under that logic anyone who ever got an abortion is a killer. Or maybe anyone who wanted to have a baby but changed their mind... Colloquially…

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nerdtime »

seppin wrote: post #602
nendroid wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh. I see. It's an english language problem. Someone doesn't know an english word and is misusing it all over the place. Look up the definition of the word genocide: https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20... Look, mass sterilization is bad. But genocide? Under that logic anyone who ever got an abortion is a killer. Or maybe anyone who wanted to have a baby but changed their mind... Colloquially…

> Look, mass sterilization is bad. But I'm done here.

Your just pretending that your above the conversation. What's going on here is that you lost and you're incapable of admitting defeat. So you leave pretending I'm some kind of bigoted person who thinks sterilization is just "bad." Don't be a sore loser. Admit that you're wrong when you are wrong.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nerdtime »

detaro wrote: post #604
nendroid wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh. I see. It's an english language problem. Someone doesn't know an english word and is misusing it all over the place. Look up the definition of the word genocide: https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20... Look, mass sterilization is bad. But genocide? Under that logic anyone who ever got an abortion is a killer. Or maybe anyone who wanted to have a baby but changed their mind... Colloquially…

No, the definition of genocide is not so clear-cut just referring to killing people, and that's not a new definition either. E.g. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide and https://www.un.org/ar/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_anal... You're massively out of line with "Someone doesn't know an english word and is misusing it all over the place." and "I vote that you're just being manipulative. The rest…

Guys don't be stupid. Colloquially we all associate genocide with killings, the oxford definition captures this fact. We all know it, you can look up the formal term but when someone utters the word genocide the last thing they think about is sterilization. They think killings. We all know this by common sense. You guys are using technicalities to further an argument for no reason.

In addition to this the technical terms are all different so it's not like I've been proven wrong. My oxford definition actually incorporates the word "killing" so we can argue about technicalities till forever or we can not be stupid and admit that when people hear or use the word "genocide" they think about "killings" "murder" and mass "slaughter"

Under the other definitions basically an abortion clinic becomes a genocide clinic. We don't associate abortion clinics with genocide... nothing is out of line here At all.

You guys can cite the UN definition of genocide but nobody uses that definition in the english language, it's really too big a of an essay for someone to hold in their head. Realistically when you see the word in an article or uttered by a person it's using the oxford definition which is the exact context we're in right now.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nerdtime »

dragonwriter wrote: post #603
nendroid wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh. I see. It's an english language problem. Someone doesn't know an english word and is misusing it all over the place. Look up the definition of the word genocide: https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20... Look, mass sterilization is bad. But genocide? Under that logic anyone who ever got an abortion is a killer. Or maybe anyone who wanted to have a baby but changed their mind... Colloquially…

> Look, mass sterilization is bad. But genocide? Yes, it's exactly genocide. Preventing a people from reproducing is quite an effective way of wiping them out as a people.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24922097

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by seppin »

nendroid wrote: post #600
seppin wrote: post #587

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> Your spin of "it's not the same as the holocaust" (no one said it is) and "yeah but whatabout the US!" is sadly par for the course. > The US put japanese people in in concentration camps and most US citizens supported it. Amazing, your lack of self-awareness. Your deflection and whataboutism can't even let up for a second. In case you need yet another reminder, this thread is about Chinese camps. > There is a huge…

What's going on here is you're misusing the word genocide. See the comment in the other thread. Genocide is mass killings, not mass sterilizations. If you get very technical you can call a sterilization a killing but that's just a deliberate misuse of the term. When someone hears the word genocide they hear slaughter. They don't hear oh that population was sterilized. Let's not be stupid about this.

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by dragonwriter »

nerdtime wrote: post #607
detaro wrote: post #604

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the definition of genocide is not so clear-cut just referring to killing people, and that's not a new definition either. E.g. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide and https://www.un.org/ar/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_anal... You're massively out of line with "Someone doesn't know an english word and is misusing it all over the place." and "I vote that you're just being manipulative. The rest…

Guys don't be stupid. Colloquially we all associate genocide with killings, the oxford definition captures this fact. We all know it, you can look up the formal term but when someone utters the word genocide the last thing they think about is sterilization. They think killings. We all know this by common sense. You guys are using technicalities to further an argument for no reason. In addition to this the technical t…

> Colloquially we all associate genocide with killings, the oxford definition captures this fact.

No, we don't, and the Merriam-Webster definition [0] captures this fact: “the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group”.

As does the Britannica [1] definition: “the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race.”

While killing the individual members of a group is a common mechanism of genocide, the killing the “-cide” in the term refers to is the killing or destruction of the group as a group, not the killing of the individuals who constitute the group.

[0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide

[1] https://www.britannica.com/topic/genocide

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