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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by tracer4201 »

ryandrake wrote: post #557
tracer4201 wrote: post #389

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Serious question - which of these advance American national interests or prevent human rights abuses? The first item in your list is President Trump calling the virus the Chinese virus. Aside from maybe bringing his supporters as a rallying cry, what does that actually achieve? It feels more like hollow political rhetoric and not something that delivers any kind of results. What do the arms sales achieve? Is it merel…

> Serious question - which of these advance American national interests or prevent human rights abuses? You're moving the goal posts. OP simply said the president "accomplished jack-all". I can't stand the guy either but these are at least accomplishments, even if the effects of some of them are symbolic. What do you want him to do? A land invasion?

No, I don’t think I’m moving any goal posts. Op provided a list of items, and my question is very simple - what is the net impact? What has Trump actually achieved? What is the result?

From your last comment, are you implying no action can be taken that isn’t simply symbolic except for a land invasion?

Interesting that you turn this into a personal attack. If you agree with the OP, that’s okay. The goal has always been delivering results, not empty, feel good rhetoric that makes you “feel” good. If it’s about your feelings, then okay, I’m sure his strong man rhetoric is good enough over any actual policy shift.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by berdario »

_-david-_ wrote: post #552
berdario wrote: post #535

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The US must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against the US now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid using US made products and services. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product. The web is flooded with services made in the US that spread their propaganda (antivax and QA…

Stop whitewashing China's crimes. The US and the rest of the West's abuses are no where near the level of the Chinese government's.

China didn't drop the nuke on harmless civilians, the US did.

China didn't displace tens of millions of people in the middle east from their homes, the US did.

China didn't destabilize dozen of countries (via assassinations, coups, and other unsavory ways to initiate regime change), the US did.

There's one threat to world peace, and that's the US. It's ridiculous that people think that somehow China could be worse than that.

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Post by hnaln »

_-david-_ wrote: post #552
berdario wrote: post #535

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The US must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against the US now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid using US made products and services. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product. The web is flooded with services made in the US that spread their propaganda (antivax and QA…

Stop whitewashing China's crimes. The US and the rest of the West's abuses are no where near the level of the Chinese government's.

Yeah what's a few million deaths in the middle east in what? The past 2 decades? War in Yemen. Oh wait it's alright because we'll make a documentary about how it was wrong and how killing all those Iraqis made marines feel bad.

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Post by DevKoala »

roidnerp wrote: post #233
DevKoala wrote: post #204

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I am not defending the wars the USA has had. I also feel that the number of collateral damage in the past two decades has been absurd and unjustified. I did not vote for the man who allowed drone strikes on children. Thankfully, the United States has made an effort in the past four years to leave the Middle East. Nevertheless, this does not justify the actions of the CCP eradicating a whole culture and it’s people. T…

I never justified it. Nothing was justified here at all. There was also no argument made by me. Nor did I say you were defending the US. All I asked was a question: What action should you take if there are repeated terrorist acts happening in your country where people are slaughtered by the hundreds? You only know the origin of these terror attacks originate from a specific cultural ethnic group, and you know you nee…

You go after the terrorist organization. Not people who aren’t terrorists. Don’t paint the Uighurs as terrorists. There are millions missing. You tell me they all were a threat to China’s national security? This is the pretext for genocide?

How is this a question? “They attacked China with knifes, isn’t China in the right for erasing them out of existence?”

This is the worst argument I have seen on Hacker News.

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Post by phobosanomaly »

T-A wrote: post #533
phobosanomaly wrote: post #494

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Unfortunately, I don't see that the West, and the United States in particular, is in a position to do anything in the near future. China seems to know that. They have by-and-large solved their Coronavirus problem months ago (with some pretty draconian methods), but the West is still reeling. The US is heading into a pretty contentious election, nobody is sure whether or not we're on the brink of a recession, internat…

> nobody is sure whether or not we're on the brink of a recession https://www.npr.org/2020/06/08/872470104/economists-announce... > If the CCP took Taiwan right now https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4034710

You're 100% right. Depression! I should have said depression!

Maybe. They could still infiltrate Special Forces teams (I'm sure they have boat teams trained for this very thing), hit Taipei with DF-17s, mine the outside boundaries of the strait, parachute guys in and take the harbors.

My point is more that the US isn't in a position to do anything right now, than that China is going to take Taiwan.

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Post by franklampard »

Khaine wrote: post #537
bhaskara2 wrote: post #202

CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

You are absolutely correct. The CCP gains legitimacy from brining prosperity to the Chinese people. This prosperity is off the back of human rights violations, bullying other countries and corporate espionage. It is time we boycotted China. The whole world must turn its back on China to show this behaviour is not acceptable. It may hurt in the short term, but will benefit all of humanity in the long term.

"This prosperity is off the back of human rights violations, bullying other countries and corporate espionage" - USA?

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Post by franklampard »

phobosanomaly wrote: post #503
FindMySocks wrote: post #499

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I've heard people chime in that China used Draconian methods to contain COVID, but what Draconian methods did they use?

"How China Slowed Coronavirus: Lockdowns, Surveillance, Enforcers" https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-china-slowed-coronavirus-lo... " China, Desperate to Stop Coronavirus, Turns Neighbor Against Neighbor " https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/03/business/china-coronaviru...

Which part is "Draconian"?

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Post by frequentnapper »

nerdtime wrote: post #481
frequentnapper wrote: post #460

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I'm not American so the US-China rivalry comment is not relevant to me. If my family was killed by a bombing attack I would want to get to the bottom of why it happened in the first place without just blaming an entire population and justifying their genocide. I am not saying that jihadist extremism is not to blame. But I don't think an entire Uighur culture is to blame either and especially not Uighur people who are…

>I'm not American so the US-China rivalry comment is not relevant to me. If my family was killed by a bombing attack I would want to get to the bottom of why it happened in the first place without just blaming an entire population and justifying their genocide. When someone bombs your family you take the time to find out why they were bombed and try to understand the otherside before shutting down the otherside. But…

>When someone bombs your family you take the time to find out why they were bombed and try to understand the otherside before shutting down the otherside.

I didn't say I would try to understand the side that bombed my family. Those would be the terrorists. I said I would get to the bottom of what happened and why it happened. I would not condemn an entire people or a culture (unless of course every single one of them believed the same thing as the terrorists) to seek some sort of sick justice. Please don't invent things I didn't say.

>The man is obviously not supporting genocide. If the chinese are supporting genocide than the man obviously doesn't know but an accusation of genocide needs extreme proof and right now there's only rumors.

It's not rumours. There is genuine proof. My own government declared it as genocide after investigation (Canada).

>But when someone voices their own opinion. You just call their opinion disgusting and accuse them of genocide.

My comment was directed at the Chinese govt and whoever supports them (obviously knowingly). I didn't call his opinion disgusting. Please learn to comprehend at a level above that of the sixth grade.

>Maybe what's really going on is you're selectively applying your empathy to whatever suits your preconceived viewpoint.

Yeah and you are selectively applying your generosity in trying to understand those you disagree with to whatever suits your needs.

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