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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by dragonwriter »

seppin wrote: post #339
dragonwriter wrote: post #313

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> There is no such thing as "French Islam". I find it quite hard to believe that there is not any degree of distinct Islamic culture that has developed in France (both in the sense of present France and the broader sense of historical French territory) under the influence on broader French culture. And by “hard to believe”, I mean entirely implausible.

> There is no such thing as "French Islam" This is also the literal mantra of ISIS. "Muslims will always be the 'other' in Europe, and we need to make sure they aren't even integrated." In that way the far right and militant islam are on the same page. Neither wants a successful integration.

> In that way the far right and militant islam are on the same page.

An observation which tangentially reminds me of: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/24/malcolm-x-...

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Post by throwaway568468 »

mkolodny wrote: post #365
stef25 wrote: post #311

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The article says this genocide should stop yet there's not a single mention of anyone dying. Hundreds of camps have been spotted, plenty of interviews given by ex-detainees. No doubt Uighurs are being detained en masse but I wonder how many don't ever make it out.

"The Genocide Convention, to which China is a signatory, defines genocide as specific acts against members of a group with the intent to destroy that group in whole or in part. These acts include (a) killing; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm; (c) deliberately inflicting conditions of life to bring about the group’s physical destruction; (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and (…

It seems that the CCP admit the goal of forced assimilation. We might even say that their goal is an ethnocide. But calling it a genocide is using a definition of the term that is controversial (and not accepted by a majority of scholars). The core of the debate is on what "intent to destroy" means:

"The specific intent element defines the purpose of committing the acts: "to destroy in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such". The specific intent is a core factor distinguishing genocide from other international crimes, such as war crimes or crimes against humanity.

In 2007, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) noted in its judgement on Jorgic v. Germany case that, in 1992, the majority of legal scholars took the narrow view that "intent to destroy" in the CPPCG meant the intended physical-biological destruction of the protected group, and that this was still the majority opinion. But the ECHR also noted that a minority took a broader view, and did not consider biological-physical destruction to be necessary, as the intent to destroy a national, racial, religious or ethnic group was enough to qualify as genocide.[29]"

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

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Post by nerdtime »

slashdev wrote: post #382
nendroid wrote: post #326

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Nobody wants to read this on HN. If you disagree post why you disagree, an insult like this serves no purpose other than alienating alternative opinions. If I had the karma I would flag you.

This is not merely expressing an opinion, it's justifying genocide. It's abhorrent, on the level of holocaust denial.

No it's not. First off he's not advocating genocide and second off you need proof that genocide is happening before you can make such a serious accusation.

You're telling me that a holocaust level genocide is happening in China right now? Serious accusations require serious evidence. Prove it. Something like pictures of mass graves like the ones you've seen in the holocaust or the rape of nanking is sufficient for me to do a complete 180.

What's going on here is mob mentality and you're part of it.

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cblum wrote: post #252
tomc1985 wrote: post #162

This post needs to be higher in the list. Everyone that the CCP deputizes as one of their spies needs to have their nose held to this shit.

I tried raising awareness about China's bullshit at work once, and was met with awkward silence and was later told in private that I came off as ignorant/immature. All because I said China should be regarded by the West as an enemy/hostile state. Hell, it's the one thing I can side with the current administration on. To me China is not much different than pre-WWII Germany: over-the-top authoritarian, has ambitions to…

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Post by ReactiveJelly »

marsrover wrote: post #364
hcurtiss wrote: post #344

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There’s a lot to not like about Trump, but he’s literally the only one in 50 years who’s been willing to play for keeps on Chinese tariffs. And he’s been raked over the coals for it.

One of the reasons I voted for him this time, even though I didn't in 2016.

Maybe next year Trump will break up my gay marriage and make it illegal for me to get the medicine I'm on. Nothing like a little down-home American human rights abuses. He can't even condemn a terrorist group when asked directly to.

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Post by FpUser »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #279
cblum wrote: post #252

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I tried raising awareness about China's bullshit at work once, and was met with awkward silence and was later told in private that I came off as ignorant/immature. All because I said China should be regarded by the West as an enemy/hostile state. Hell, it's the one thing I can side with the current administration on. To me China is not much different than pre-WWII Germany: over-the-top authoritarian, has ambitions to…

Honestly, I see us heading towards a world war... w/ water becoming precious commodity - I can't see who's gonna win, or even what the pairings might be... Maybe EU, USA, Canada, India, Israel, Japan vs China, Russia, N. Korea, Iran, Saudia Arabia? Except there's some racism/xenophobia between Russia, Islam, China, so maybe not... But a lot of those places lack water, so that could be motivating factor for more strif…

Russia, China and Saudi Arabia are not friends. Why would they ever pair militarily is beyond my comprehension. Saudi Arabia is armed by the west btw.

As for EU vs Russia - you really think the EU is that suicidal? It would be nuked into oblivion in a matter of minutes.

As for water. Two of thee largest nuke holders are the US and Russia. The US has Canada whth the largest reserves of water. Russia has plenty of it as well. So you think either is going to be attacked by any country for water?

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Post by frequentnapper »

nendroid wrote: post #438
frequentnapper wrote: post #410

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Uighur attacks only happened after a decade of repression. The CCP govt moved Han chinese into the region and took away employment and other things that Uighurs used to enjoy turning them into second class citizens. Some people out of frustration committed the attacks which is exactly what CCP wanted to fully go in and start clearing and fully occupying them. You sound like a Han Chinese. Imagine yourself in their sh…

I'm not. Imagine yourself in the shoes of the person who was killed by a bombing. Imagine yourself knowing family members or your kids getting slaughtered by these terrorist attacks. Let me put it to you clearly. The situation is complex, no side is right, but to bury the action of one side and justify the actions of another because it's convenient for some stupid US-China rivalry is the wrong way to view it. I'm not…

I'm not American so the US-China rivalry comment is not relevant to me. If my family was killed by a bombing attack I would want to get to the bottom of why it happened in the first place without just blaming an entire population and justifying their genocide.

I am not saying that jihadist extremism is not to blame. But I don't think an entire Uighur culture is to blame either and especially not Uighur people who are being victimised.

>I'm not saying either side was right. I'm saying it's wrong to comment on how this is disgusting.

It's not wrong at all to comment on this. What the Chinese govt is doing is plain disgusting and they should be held accountable just like anybody who is supporting them. We hold extremist groups who carry out attacks responsible, so why not a racist, genocidal govt who instigated the whole thing anyway?

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