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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by beervirus »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #282
neycoda wrote: post #201

China has built almost 400 new camps since 2017, while new testimonies have emerged alleging slave labour, forced sterilisations and organ harvesting taking place inside the camps too.

This is def. bad, though I feel somewhat hypocritical, since we're doing forced sterilizations here too... definitely it needs to stop in China AND the USA. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/914465793/ice-a-whistleblower...

It’s been a month and there’s no confirmation whatsoever. I’m leaning toward this story being fake news.

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Post by lordnacho »

tim333 wrote: post #329
bhaskara2 wrote: post #202

CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

A few individuals buying less stuff isn't going to have much effect. We need something more like the west putting 50% tariffs on Chinese products so all the manufacturing starts moving to other countries. That would probably get their attention.

The real issue is that we don't care to hurt ourselves enough in punishing the Chinese.

If they were some minor country that supplied all the world's bananas someone could potentially put together something like that, and we'd all live without bananas for a while.

But China makes just about everything, and not just cheap and simple stuff anymore.

In game theory (and experiments with real people) sometimes it makes sense to punish a misbehaving player even though it harms you yourself. It really does not seem like any country in the West is anywhere close to being willing to do that.

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Post by runarberg »

skinkestek wrote: post #198
crocal wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pay your taxes so that your military can keep an eye on the assholes who do this, and so that UN may offer some form of asylum to their victims. Vote for politicians that oppose this shit publicly. Explain to your kids why this is wrong.

Have my upvote, but honestly don't expect too much from UN. They are the ones who turned a blind eye to Rwanda and gave the guy who sold the guns a top job, aren't they?

What people criticize about the Rwandan genocide isn’t the lack of military intervention. It is the lack of any response from the international community (think the first decade of HIV/AIDS). No condemnation, no UN response, no relief of asylums for victims, and hardly any news.

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Post by marsrover »

hcurtiss wrote: post #344
tim333 wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few individuals buying less stuff isn't going to have much effect. We need something more like the west putting 50% tariffs on Chinese products so all the manufacturing starts moving to other countries. That would probably get their attention.

There’s a lot to not like about Trump, but he’s literally the only one in 50 years who’s been willing to play for keeps on Chinese tariffs. And he’s been raked over the coals for it.

One of the reasons I voted for him this time, even though I didn't in 2016.

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Post by mkolodny »

stef25 wrote: post #311
mkolodny wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genocide.

The article says this genocide should stop yet there's not a single mention of anyone dying. Hundreds of camps have been spotted, plenty of interviews given by ex-detainees. No doubt Uighurs are being detained en masse but I wonder how many don't ever make it out.

"The Genocide Convention, to which China is a signatory, defines genocide as specific acts against members of a group with the intent to destroy that group in whole or in part. These acts include (a) killing; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm; (c) deliberately inflicting conditions of life to bring about the group’s physical destruction; (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and (e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Any one of these categories constitutes genocide."

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/15/uighur-genocide-xinjian...

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Post by Baeocystin »

mkolodny wrote: post #206
crocal wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pay your taxes so that your military can keep an eye on the assholes who do this, and so that UN may offer some form of asylum to their victims. Vote for politicians that oppose this shit publicly. Explain to your kids why this is wrong.

What country's politicians have publicly opposed this?

Canada just did.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/parliamentary-committee-uig...

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Post by csomar »

sizzle wrote: post #260

"Twenty-four hours a day, prisoners are shackled. Iron chains are tied around their necks, fixed to loose iron blocks that Ӧmir says weigh around eight to ten kilograms, forcing prisoners to always be hunched down. He believes this is just one of the ways in which the camps are designed to instill a submissive posture in prisoners vis-a-vis their captors." I'm at a loss for words at the barbaric and utterly inhumane…

> towards their citizens

It's right there. They are Han Chinese and don't consider the Uighurs as their citizens or blood-brothers.

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Post by hcurtiss »

onei wrote: post #359
hcurtiss wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CCP gave Trump $17 million? That’s a new one.

The account apparently had some millions deposited into in and then withdrawn quickly after. It's not entirely clear who or where that money came from in the first place.

He indicated in the debate that was all before his candidacy. Is there reason to believe that’s not true?

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Post by csomar »

crocal wrote: post #189
ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

Pay your taxes so that your military can keep an eye on the assholes who do this, and so that UN may offer some form of asylum to their victims. Vote for politicians that oppose this shit publicly. Explain to your kids why this is wrong.

I think this comment is under-rated. The US has been doing real work when it comes to China like this: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-philippines... where most of the world is just watching.

The US certainly doesn't have a stellar Human Rights record in wars or other; but it's mostly because of incompetence and not as an agenda to keep one race only.

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