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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

As long as 95% of the people in the US keep on buying items with their wallets open, and we're distracted with our own internal strife, what hope is there to counter this? Our leadership certainly isn't up to standing against this sort of thing these days.

Not just the US, China exports stuff everywhere. I think this can be mitigated by making planned obsolescence illegal and somehow forcing companies to maximize quality.

We don't need crappy pens, toys, electronics, etc...

I don't know about you, but I'm personally happy to own one ballpoint pen that'll last me for 20 years (and only have to refill it from time to time). If anything, just to not see some poor guy work as a slave (long work-days, minimum pay, suicide nets). Right now you can just go purchase 10x crappy pens that easily break and dry out for around €2, whyyyy?

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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What a disgusting comment.

Nobody wants to read this on HN. If you disagree post why you disagree, an insult like this serves no purpose other than alienating alternative opinions. If I had the karma I would flag you.

This is not merely expressing an opinion, it's justifying genocide.

It's abhorrent, on the level of holocaust denial.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

Are you posting from 30 years ago? Because of the greed and stupidity of Western governments and companies it is literally impossible to avoid buying China made products.

You don’t need to boycott 100% to be effective. Boycotting 80%, or even 10%, is surely better than doing nothing.

I’d also say it’s surprisingly easy to boycott Chinese goods, as well as companies kowtowing to China.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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The monster we created. You can say all you want about the mistakes and dirty actions of the USA-led world since the end of the second world war, but you're delusional if you think a CCP led world order would be an improvement.

> " ... if you think a CCP led world world order would be an improvement." I don't think the parent comment suggested anything like what you just said. And I agree with that parent comment, in that I find it amusing mental-floss to imagine how a very-low income family in the US can completely avoid Chinese made products.

I'm using "you" to refer to the reader, not the OP. English can be confusing at times.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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And accomplished jack-all. The real problem is not China producing cheap steel, but human rights abuses, and censorship. 45 hasn't done anything about that.

Here’s an incomplete list of things Trump has done to stand up to China. I challenge everyone to name a single person (or country, or continent) who’s done more than him. - He refers to the Wuhan Virus as the China/Chinese Virus (CCP is trying very hard from distancing themselves from responsibility; they won’t even let us into Wuhan to investigate). - He started a trade war with China, which has forced companies to…

It is worth mentioning that his policies have simultaneously alienated the EU, making it more difficult to build a large coalition. That said, you're right that Trump has done more to curtail Red China than most prior presidents, at least individually. He'd likely have had a hard time anyway considering that Red China has bought a significant chunk of Europe and the developing world via her Belt and Road Initiative of debt-trap diplomacy.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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The current administration appointed a Uighar-American as National Security Council Director of China to advise the president on China issues. However, this appointment was ignored by US media, for reasons we can only speculate. While much of the administration's response to China issues has been characterized as "heavy handed" by the same media, that leadership is responsible for influencing the EU to take a similar…

However he also supported China's anti-Uigher policy in secret remarks[1] to President Xi. There seems to be a hidden agenda at odds with the public agenda. [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-told-chinas-pr...

This is why it's important that the White House challenges China for the right reasons with the right strategy. Trump is certainly the most anti-China president in years, but he often contradicts himself and frames it with racist, partisan, and protectionist rhetoric, actually damaging human rights-based anti-China opposition. Not to mention he's intent on weakening the levers of soft power that the US has traditionally used as he damages alliances and withdraws from global organizations like the WHO.

It's not enough to be publicly anti-China. Effective leadership demands a focused message, effective coalition building, and unifying rhetoric where Trump has turned it into a partisan wedge like everything he wades into.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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This reminded me of what we used to make fun of North Korea for, except its much much more extreme and it’s not funny at all. Its just monstrous, isn’t it? There should be sanctions

North Koreas stories can be much worse, but typically are not found outside of religious groups like Voice of the Martyrs.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Say what you want about Trump, who is a completely disgusting individual, but I have seen more progress this presidential term in this regard than ever before.

> President Donald Trump expressed approval of a concentration camp for Uighur Muslims in China during a private meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping, according to former national security adviser John Bolton's upcoming memoir > Xi "explained to Trump why he was basically building concentration camps in Xinjiang," Bolton wrote, citing the interpreter's account. The interpreter added that "Trump said that Xi shou…

Biden has been pro-China throughout the entirety of his political career.

As Senator he voted yes to give China permanent normal trade status, stating:

> [Our course is clear. China's growing participation in the international community over the past quarter century has been marked by growing adherence to international norms in the areas of trade, security, and human rights.](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRECB-2000-pt13/html/CRE... of our colleagues disagree on this point. They would have preferred that the China trade bill be turned into an omnibus China Policy Act. I understand their objectives and their frustration with the slow pace of reform in China. But amendments offered by Senator Smith of New Hampshire--covering such diverse issues as POW/MIA cooperation, forced labor, organ harvesting, etc.--and Senator Wellstone of Minnesota--conditioning PNTR on substantial progress toward the release of all political prisoners in China--pile too much onto this legislation. Moreover, those amendments would effectively hold the trade legislation hostage to changes in China which passing the trade bill would promote. This seems backwards to me.](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRECB-2000-pt13/html/CRE...)

Biden later lobbied to grant most-favored-nation trade status and World Trade Organization membership to China:

> [In the critical fight over whether to grant most-favored-nation trade status and World Trade Organization membership to China in the 1990s — a fight in which, again, many of his party’s leaders in Congress were on the right side — Biden carefully shepherded China through the process from his powerful perch as the senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Wherever a brake might have been applied — by placing human-rights or labor conditions on most-favored-nation status, for example — Biden voted the measures down and lobbied other senators for Beijing. Unfortunately, China and Biden got their way, and American workers are still suffering from it.](https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/joe-biden-is-chinas-c...)

As Vice President:

> ["In order to cement this robust partnership, we have to go beyond close ties between Washington and Beijing, which we’re working on every day, go beyond it to include all levels of government, go beyond it to include classrooms and laboratories, athletic fields and boardrooms."](https://newspunch.com/unearthed-biden-speech-in-china-urged-...)

> ["Already, we have made thousands of new items available for export to China for exclusive civilian use that were not available before, and tens of thousands of more items will become available very soon. That’s a significant change in our export policy and a rejection of those voices in America that say we should not export that kind of technology to – for civilian use in – China. We disagree, and we’re changing."](https://newspunch.com/unearthed-biden-speech-in-china-urged-...)

> ["I believed in 1979 and said so and I believe now that a rising China is a positive development, not only for the people of China but for the United States and the world as a whole." He continues: “it is in our self-interest that China continues to prosper” and retained hope “a rising China will fuel economic growth and prosperity and it will bring to the fore a new partner with whom we can meet global challenges together.”](https://newspunch.com/unearthed-biden-speech-in-china-urged-...)

> [Vice President Biden convinced China's vice president to agree to a deal that would unlock new fortunes for Hollywood. Biden asked Xi Jinping to relax China's quota of allowing only 20 foreign films to be shown at a time and to increase distribution fees for Hollywood firms.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/05/02...)

> [In 2013, the Obama administration allowed Chinese companies to invest in U.S. capital markets without having their books inspected by U.S. regulators, after meetings between Chinese officials and Biden.](https://epochtimes.today/where-biden-trump-stand-on-the-chin...)

As Presidential Candidate:

> [In 2019, Biden boasts about having spent more time with Xi Jinping than any other world leader, and that China wasn't a competitior to the United States. "China is going to eat our lunch? Come on, man," Biden said at the time. "They're not bad folks, folks. But guess what? They're not competition for us."](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-trump-mischara...)

> [Biden Says He Will End Trump’s Tariffs On Chinese-Made Goods](https://news.yahoo.com/said-trumps-ideas-good-one-153901834....)

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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And accomplished jack-all. The real problem is not China producing cheap steel, but human rights abuses, and censorship. 45 hasn't done anything about that.

Here’s an incomplete list of things Trump has done to stand up to China. I challenge everyone to name a single person (or country, or continent) who’s done more than him. - He refers to the Wuhan Virus as the China/Chinese Virus (CCP is trying very hard from distancing themselves from responsibility; they won’t even let us into Wuhan to investigate). - He started a trade war with China, which has forced companies to…

Serious question - which of these advance American national interests or prevent human rights abuses?

The first item in your list is President Trump calling the virus the Chinese virus. Aside from maybe bringing his supporters as a rallying cry, what does that actually achieve? It feels more like hollow political rhetoric and not something that delivers any kind of results.

What do the arms sales achieve? Is it merely profit for the American industrial complex, or are you saying Hong Kong now has some chance against China in the event of a military conflict?

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Perhaps you should think about why, when faced with evidence of an atrocity, your reaction is not "this is horrible and should be stopped" but "look at all these hypocrites denouncing the horrible thing". It seems to me a serious moral miscalibration.

Your reaction is "this is horrible and should be stopped" and that's what makes you susceptible to anti-China hysteria. This is just "we don't negotiate with terrorists" in another context. Apparently anyone uncooperative with American business interests in the Middle East turned out to be a terrorist who needs to be bombed/assassinated/coup-ed. America has sanctioned North Korea for going on 50 years now, has that p…

I'm curious what entitles you to claim I am "susceptible to anti-China hysteria"? How could you possibly know that? And what do Uigurs have to do with the Middle East or Korea? And what does American foreign policy have to do with me? I am not an American.

There's no logic or reason in your response. You write like an AI bot trained on nothing but Chomsky interviews.

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