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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by spaetzleesser »

throw51319 wrote: post #548
spaetzleesser wrote: post #480

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I am making a stand to not support either of the corrupt big parties in the US. I can't vote for one guy only because the other guy is bad. The democrats should have put up a candidate people actually want to vote for. They didn't do that either in 2016 or 2020. Not being Trump is not a good program.

Biden is fine, he'll return decision-making to normalcy and be a one term President. Then we can try 2 new candidates in 4 years. Imagine the next 4 years with Biden and then with Trump. Which one seems less erratic and dangerous? Your point is being wasted, and another 4 regressive years of Trump all because you wanted to make a point that won't be heeded or come through at all. How about the 3rd parties field a can…

For a 3rd party to be able to get a sustainable foothold the election system probably has to change. The hurdle is just too high. Personally I think a certain number of seats in the house should not get assigned by winning districts but by countrywide votes. For example, if you get 5% of the votes, you get some seats. Having more parties would force the big parties to compromise.

As far as the democrats go, my prediction is that they will find another uninteresting candidate in 2024 and keep standing for nothing. Maybe its's Pelosi's turn?

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by _-david-_ »

berdario wrote: post #535
bhaskara2 wrote: post #202

CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

The US must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against the US now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid using US made products and services. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product. The web is flooded with services made in the US that spread their propaganda (antivax and QA…

Stop whitewashing China's crimes. The US and the rest of the West's abuses are no where near the level of the Chinese government's.

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Post by _-david-_ »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #308
eloff wrote: post #259

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You're getting down-voted because trump derangement syndrome. But it's true. No President has taken a harder line on China and the CCP. If you're in the US and you want to do something about the CCP, probably the most effective thing you could do is vote Trump. And I'm saying this as liberal who can't stand Trump. If that's effective for the long-term future and prosperity of the US, which is also important to counte…

Maybe Trump has started changes for the better. Let's hope. My personal worry is that he (and the US in general) is mainly about business and will ignore the human rights abuses as long as the money is right. The friendly position towards Saudi Arabia seems to indicate that.

Doing the right thing for the wrong reason is better than not doing anything, even if it is just temporary.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by baybal2 »

coldtea wrote: post #547
baybal2 wrote: post #332

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> Do you also genuinely believe think Hitler Adolph was gassing Jewish people out of a real concern for sneaky backstabbing, and Stalin Joseph did the same to many more nations he purged? Punch yourself in the face, get real. Yes, Hitler did have a concern for "sneaky backstabbing" - as did most Germans after losing WWI. It even has a name, Dolchstoßlegenden. It wasn't a correct idea, and it was doubly incorrect to p…

> Does it come a surprise to you that Hitler was actually an antisemite? Did you think he mearly killed 6+ million people as an excuse to come to power while not believing it (not to mention he was already in power when he put that in process).

Before the "final solution (gassing)" was implemented, it was 8 years of progressive discrimination, and repressions, which were used to erode the whatever remaining civic fabric of the state.

And when they saw no real need left for the punchbag nation, and saw no further use for millions of inmates (who still needed some minimal food, and shelter to prevent them going up in arms immediately,) and people who will eventually return Hitler a favour, they decided for a "relatively clean solution."

The few surviving accounts of HSDAP top leaders own stances on the matter all confirm this.

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Post by d0gbread »

snicker7 wrote: post #527
stickfigure wrote: post #505

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I'm sort of coming around to this perspective, but I think it's a bit rash. I'd like to see something along the lines of "tariffs go up 5% each year, and will be dropped to zero when China drops the GFC". I don't want huge economic disruption for China or the US, but a slow disentanglement. And a clear carrot that lets them know it's not personal, the CCP just has to let its citizens talk with the peoples it wants to…

There isn't a functional difference between a 5% tariff and a 50% tariff for most goods.

Why is that?

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Post by loceng »

d0gbread wrote: post #555
snicker7 wrote: post #527

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There isn't a functional difference between a 5% tariff and a 50% tariff for most goods.

Why is that?

The number may be higher than 5% but it's because exponentially more and more non-Chinese competitors can outcompete more and more based on price the higher the tariffs on Chinese goods are.

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Post by ryandrake »

tracer4201 wrote: post #389
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Here’s an incomplete list of things Trump has done to stand up to China. I challenge everyone to name a single person (or country, or continent) who’s done more than him. - He refers to the Wuhan Virus as the China/Chinese Virus (CCP is trying very hard from distancing themselves from responsibility; they won’t even let us into Wuhan to investigate). - He started a trade war with China, which has forced companies to…

Serious question - which of these advance American national interests or prevent human rights abuses? The first item in your list is President Trump calling the virus the Chinese virus. Aside from maybe bringing his supporters as a rallying cry, what does that actually achieve? It feels more like hollow political rhetoric and not something that delivers any kind of results. What do the arms sales achieve? Is it merel…

> Serious question - which of these advance American national interests or prevent human rights abuses?

You're moving the goal posts. OP simply said the president "accomplished jack-all". I can't stand the guy either but these are at least accomplishments, even if the effects of some of them are symbolic. What do you want him to do? A land invasion?

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Post by hajile »

skinkestek wrote: post #198
crocal wrote: post #189

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Pay your taxes so that your military can keep an eye on the assholes who do this, and so that UN may offer some form of asylum to their victims. Vote for politicians that oppose this shit publicly. Explain to your kids why this is wrong.

Have my upvote, but honestly don't expect too much from UN. They are the ones who turned a blind eye to Rwanda and gave the guy who sold the guns a top job, aren't they?

As a veto member of the UN security council, China will simply prevent any response. In addition, they pay massive amounts of money to African countries to vote their way. Look into Ethiopian-Chinese relations and the Ethiopian cholera outbreaks and you'll see why the WHO leader (not a doctor I'd add) did nothing but shill for China.

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Post by jancsika »

lerptime wrote: post #99
jancsika wrote: post #91

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> The question is, is a successful quelling of all terrorism worth crossing the line? Wow, the balls on that question. And please tell me your imagined design to "quell all terrorism" uses a blockchain. If so, do tell-- really, no detail is too small.

>Wow, the balls on that question. >And please tell me your imagined design to "quell all terrorism" uses a blockchain. If so, do tell-- really, no detail is too small. You got big balls too. The Terrorism he talks about involves actual human harm and the mass slaughter of hundreds of people in China. And here you are trivializing what he's talking about into an insensitive block chain insult. Might as well just call…

> The Terrorism he talks about involves actual human harm and the mass slaughter of hundreds of people in China.

The OP's imagined, unspecified design to "quell all terrorism" necessarily rationalizes the actual harm that a primary source specified and had photographed in this article. Digressing from actual harm of a religious minority being sent to "re-education camps" to instead discuss a utopian thought experiment is morally unserious at best.

It is, however, insensitive to bring block chain zealouts into this. I apologize for that.

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Post by cercatrova »

bhaskara2 wrote: post #202

CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

What a strange decree. States don't punish or get punished for moralistic reasons. It's like saying we should punish Alexander the Great. It's all a part of history, he was a terrible person for ravaging the land but we celebrate him today. There are no morals in empire building.
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