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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by eloff »

brianhorakh wrote: post #212
ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

Educate yourself. Reddit r/sino is a great place to read the opposition. There are ALWAYs two sides to these stories. Many are fabricated to apply for diplomatic immunity. Uighers represent a very small minority of the overall Chinese population, but almost all domestic terrorism (when the campaign against their culture started in 2014). Yes, their religious culture is being attacked, yes many (most) are good people,…

What a disgusting comment.

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Post by cblum »

tomc1985 wrote: post #162

This post needs to be higher in the list. Everyone that the CCP deputizes as one of their spies needs to have their nose held to this shit.

I tried raising awareness about China's bullshit at work once, and was met with awkward silence and was later told in private that I came off as ignorant/immature.

All because I said China should be regarded by the West as an enemy/hostile state. Hell, it's the one thing I can side with the current administration on.

To me China is not much different than pre-WWII Germany: over-the-top authoritarian, has ambitions to influence the direction of things at the world stage, and is currently scapegoating an ethnic minority and putting them in concentration camps.

That wasn't the first time I tried bringing those things up in a group setting. In other occasions I was only met with awkward silence too. Feels like there's some subtle but insane denial going on.

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Post by znpy »

eznzt wrote: post #234
sdwa wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yours is possibly the most vile comment I think I've ever read on this website.

I guess you feel the same about what Macron is doing?

Uh, last time I checked Macron did not set-up concentration camps for the french muslims.

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Post by crispyporkbites »

brianhorakh wrote: post #212
ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

Educate yourself. Reddit r/sino is a great place to read the opposition. There are ALWAYs two sides to these stories. Many are fabricated to apply for diplomatic immunity. Uighers represent a very small minority of the overall Chinese population, but almost all domestic terrorism (when the campaign against their culture started in 2014). Yes, their religious culture is being attacked, yes many (most) are good people,…

Replace Uigher with Jew, Chinese with German and CCP with Nazi and this comment would have fit right into 1939

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Post by WillPostForFood »

kepler1 wrote: post #210
bhaskara2 wrote: post #202

CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

As long as 95% of the people in the US keep on buying items with their wallets open, and we're distracted with our own internal strife, what hope is there to counter this? Our leadership certainly isn't up to standing against this sort of thing these days.

People want the information, and if they had it many would adjust their buying behavior. I see the "where is this made" question on Amazon products all the time. Even if it didn't make a difference, having the manufacturing origin, and shipping origin clearly labeled would be a good start.

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aamazon.com+%22where+i...

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Post by wonnage »

Veen wrote: post #192
vms20591 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The problem is, the West gets a moral high ground and even if they get criticism for their actions, the highest repercussions they encounter is "a slap to the wrist".

Perhaps you should think about why, when faced with evidence of an atrocity, your reaction is not "this is horrible and should be stopped" but "look at all these hypocrites denouncing the horrible thing". It seems to me a serious moral miscalibration.

Your reaction is "this is horrible and should be stopped" and that's what makes you susceptible to anti-China hysteria. This is just "we don't negotiate with terrorists" in another context. Apparently anyone uncooperative with American business interests in the Middle East turned out to be a terrorist who needs to be bombed/assassinated/coup-ed.

America has sanctioned North Korea for going on 50 years now, has that produced a measurable improvement in human rights? Or has it just caused endless suffering?

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Post by sircastor »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #48

think twice before buying made in china, for this man,s torture is added to your karma.

There is undoubtedly a strong connection between the Chinese government and business there, But you’re going to run into ethical quandaries in any country in the world if you’re attributing responsibility of government actions to the whole of the people. As an American, I am appalled at some of the things my government does. I don’t avoid things made in the US because of that.

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Post by blub »

bhaskara2 wrote: post #202

CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

Are you posting from 30 years ago? Because of the greed and stupidity of Western governments and companies it is literally impossible to avoid buying China made products.

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Post by eloff »

Hydraulix989 wrote: post #241
kepler1 wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as 95% of the people in the US keep on buying items with their wallets open, and we're distracted with our own internal strife, what hope is there to counter this? Our leadership certainly isn't up to standing against this sort of thing these days.

Say what you want about Trump, who is a completely disgusting individual, but I have seen more progress this presidential term in this regard than ever before.

You're getting down-voted because trump derangement syndrome. But it's true. No President has taken a harder line on China and the CCP. If you're in the US and you want to do something about the CCP, probably the most effective thing you could do is vote Trump. And I'm saying this as liberal who can't stand Trump.

If that's effective for the long-term future and prosperity of the US, which is also important to counter the CCP - I don't know.

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Post by sizzle »

"Twenty-four hours a day, prisoners are shackled. Iron chains are tied around their necks, fixed to loose iron blocks that Ӧmir says weigh around eight to ten kilograms, forcing prisoners to always be hunched down. He believes this is just one of the ways in which the camps are designed to instill a submissive posture in prisoners vis-a-vis their captors."

I'm at a loss for words at the barbaric and utterly inhumane treatment towards their citizens. This is insane.

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